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  •  Two great videos about breaking the law: (3+ / 0-)
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    In the first video, the actions were nonviolent but unlawful. In the second, the actions involve property destruction.

    1. In 2008, Tim DeChristopher disrupted a government auction of oil and gas leases in Utah, by winning bids and having no intention of paying. (The auction was later ruled illegal). For this action to halt climate change and the destruction of beautiful public lands, Tim served 2 years in federal prison. He was released last month, and plans to attend Harvard Divinity School in the fall.

    There's a 72-minute video about these events, called "Bidder 70". It's $28.50 including shipping.  You can get more info at
    or you can order the DVD from

    2. In the early 2000s, the Earth Liberation Front committed a number of arsons. "If a Tree Falls" is a profile of the ELF, and specifically Daniel McGowan, who participated in two arsons, and will be released soon. The DVD  interviews him extensively during the time he's preparing to go to prison. It raises the question, when peaceful methods fail to bring about change, what options remain?

    This video is 85 minutes and has commentaries, extra interviews, etc. I got my copy from the PBS on-line store for $25 plus shipping.

    •  Engaging in arson seems very different from (2+ / 0-)
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      engaging in forceful yet peaceful protest.  

      •  Depends. (1+ / 0-)
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        Property crime is different than human-injury crime. Peaceful might be associated only with interactions between humans. And in that light, burning a bulldozer in the middle of the night doesn't have that "attempt to spill the blood of another" feeling.

        I didn't read anything about mcgowan, don't know what his particular action was.

        If we allow "violent" to be a label that can be applied to interactions that only involve property, then suddenly the illegal foreclosures can be labeled "violent" actions perpetrated by the 'person' of the banks, as a form of 'violent' illegal taking.

        It doesn't really make sense to call an illegal foreclosure a violent crime, so we have to draw the line somewhere, right? Well, I think it makes gut sense to draw the line between violent and peaceful along the category of property-crime and human-physical-victim.

        •  DailyKos should stay far away from (1+ / 0-)
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          advocating for arson as a legitimate means of social change.  That's all I'm saying.

          •  I didn't advocate anything. Just watch the video (1+ / 0-)
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            if you're interested.  I found it quite interesting and thought-provoking.

            Besides, it was already on PBS.

            •  Typical reaction on DK. (1+ / 0-)
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              It's a manifestation of the mandate to assume victimhood.

              If someone mentions anything about resisting through methods stronger than going limp than someone will be along very shortly to imply that they are advocating violence and may well be shunned/banned/dangerous to the site.

              The place has gone way downhill in the last few years. The hillary/obama fights had more intellectual capacity than the contemporary diaries about stiffening the spine.

      •  It is very different (2+ / 0-)
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        Ray Pensador, Bob B

        than protest.

        But direct action isn't protest and if we're going to talk about direct action then we should talk about the various forms. Not that we should be advocating for arson here, just that we should talk about the various forms of direct action.

        If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

        by AoT on Wed May 22, 2013 at 03:01:16 PM PDT

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