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  •  OK, that's at least reasonable (2+ / 0-)
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    expatjourno, Larsstephens

    and it might work.

    However, we need to win more Senate and House seats, and we need to win them in marginal seats (we already have the liberals). So, what we need is evidence or a strategy that will mean that pinning the failure to pass on the GOP will gain us votes in those seats, either by getting more people to the polls or by tapping their views.

    I think this evidence could be found.

    •  You raise a good point. (2+ / 0-)
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      plf515, Tweedledee5

      In those marginal seats, immigration alone might not be much help. But, as part of building a picture of GOP extremism, maybe. And, considering the long run demographics, I would rather have a bill pass with zero Republican votes.

      I know that it's a shame to make people wait. On the other hand, the delay could be made up for with a faster path to citizenship.

      Obama is the Chickenshit-in-Chief for failing to stand up to Republicans on all their phony scandals, from the "beer summit," to Van Jones, "death panels," Shirley Sherrod, contraception, Benghazi, and the IRS.

      by expatjourno on Wed May 22, 2013 at 03:32:21 PM PDT

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    •  2012 and the GOP turnabout are the evidence. (3+ / 0-)
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      plf515, Puffin, Dallasdoc
      So, what we need is evidence or a strategy that will mean that pinning the failure to pass on the GOP will gain us votes in those seats, either by getting more people to the polls or by tapping their views.
      The Republicans are the ones who are desperate for this bill to pass so they can claim they supported immigration reform and thereby (they hope) take that issue off the table.  They know they need Latino votes if they are to have any hope of winning the presidency every again.  So they're the ones on the hot seat, not the Democrats.  

      Why did their attitude on immigration reform change so abruptly after 2012?  Because the few remaining smart people in the GOP realized that they were sitting on a demographic time bomb.  That puts all the pressure on the Republicans, which means the Democrats are the ones with the leverage.  But being Democrats, they gave it up.

      "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

      by FogCityJohn on Wed May 22, 2013 at 09:41:38 PM PDT

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