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  •  Post-thesist here (2+ / 0-)
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    I love his secular-humanist prayer, it's beautiful.

    However, I recently realized that there is an alternative to being a theist or an atheist: I now consider myself post-theist.

    At one stage in our development as humans it was necessary to externalize good and evil but now I believe that good and evil are simply part of the human condition. I try to be a force for good, but sometimes - mostly inadvertently - I can be or do evil.

    Even as I accept this humble condition I still experience a powerful life force that sends tingles down my spine and swells my heart with awe at a powerful sight, experience or emotion. I believe that's a higher power within me, so I answer her call to love and create.

    But even as I answer that call, I know that I'm not a theist nor a atheist because it's much more complicated than that.

    "Let us not look back to the past with anger, nor towards the future with fear, but look around with awareness." James Thurber

    by annan on Wed May 22, 2013 at 08:54:34 PM PDT

    •  I do like what you wrote and (0+ / 0-)

      will no doubt borrow/steal liberally from it. ;)

      Even as I accept this humble condition I still experience a powerful life force that sends tingles down my spine and swells my heart with awe at a powerful sight, experience or emotion. I believe that's a higher power within me, so I answer her call to love and create.
      You've described what I call spiritual feelings -- not religiously based, but humanly based as a response to some ineffably wonderful thing.

      Being the single intellectual in a village of 1,100 souls ain't much fun, especially when 1,099 of those don't think you're all that smart.--Lucy Marsden

      by Miniaussiefan on Thu May 23, 2013 at 04:06:50 AM PDT

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      •  I like it too (1+ / 0-)
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        Tool has a great way to put it as well and they combine it with simply amazingly, awesome music.  This from Parabola:

        In this holy reality, in this holy experience
        Choosing to be here in...
        This body, this body holding me
        Be my reminder here that I am not alone in...
        This body, this body holding me, feeling eternal
        All this pain is an illusion

        Twirling round with this familiar parable
        Spinning, weaving round each new experience
        Recognize this as a holy gift and celebrate this chance to be alive and breathing
        A chance to be alive and breathing

        This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality
        Embrace this moment, remember, we are eternal
        All this pain is an illusion
        Lyrics from eLyrics.net

        The rest of the lyrics can be read here:  http://www.elyrics.net/...

        I think they also are very simpatico with Mr. Mendez's invocation and I think they mirror his thoughts with this lyric from Reflection:

        So crucify the ego, before it's far too late
        To leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical,
        And you will come to find that we are all one mind
        Capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
        Just let the light touch you
        And let the words spill through
        And let them pass right through
        Bringing out our hope and reason ...
        before we pine away.

        We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein

        by theotherside on Thu May 23, 2013 at 06:43:13 AM PDT

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        •  That was unfamiliar to me. (0+ / 0-)

          Thanks.

          Being the single intellectual in a village of 1,100 souls ain't much fun, especially when 1,099 of those don't think you're all that smart.--Lucy Marsden

          by Miniaussiefan on Thu May 23, 2013 at 07:46:00 AM PDT

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          •  I'm not sure how much you know about Tool (0+ / 0-)

            but I, obviously, just love them to death.  They are hard to categorize as they are a mix of metal and progressive rock and I can understand how many people would not care for the "hardness" of their sound, especially the women that may still be reading this thread.

            But there is an undeniable beauty in work.  As they put it in Schism:

            "The poetry that comes from the squaring off between,
            And the circling is worth it
            Finding beauty in the dissonance

            There was a time that the pieces fit, but I watched them fall away
            Mildewed and smoldering, strangled by our coveting
            I've done the math enough to know the dangers of our second guessing
            Doomed to crumble unless we grow, and strengthen our communication"

            The music, the subject matter and the words are so dark and complex and yet so utterly filled with a pleading soulful hope.  They acknowledge the absolute worst that man is capable of and exhort us to work together to build a better future.    Yeah, they speak to me and I wish they had a wider audience.  (And I wish they would finish their next album....boys, it's been awhile.)

            We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein

            by theotherside on Thu May 23, 2013 at 03:46:27 PM PDT

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            •  Bless your heart, (0+ / 0-)

              I'm a 68-year-old person of the female persuasion. ;)

              But I'm still cool, just not cool enough to know who/what Tool is.

              Thanks for filling me in.

              Being the single intellectual in a village of 1,100 souls ain't much fun, especially when 1,099 of those don't think you're all that smart.--Lucy Marsden

              by Miniaussiefan on Thu May 23, 2013 at 04:21:14 PM PDT

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    •  The other day my husband asked me why (5+ / 0-)

      I pray before each meal since I don't believe in God.

      My answer is that I think there is so much to be thankful for and it is good to bring that gratitude into awareness. I don't have to believe that some entity "gave" me this life to be thankful for it and it is good for me and perhaps for the world if I consciously focus on and express that feeling of thankfulness through my thoughts.

      FWIW, I do this silently before each meal so I am not making other people have to participate in any way.

      You can't scare me, I'm sticking to the Union - Woody Guthrie

      by sewaneepat on Thu May 23, 2013 at 06:59:44 AM PDT

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      •  We non-believers would benefit by remembering (1+ / 0-)
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        gratitude and living it. It's funny, hanging out with so many Catholics, I can see certain ways in which religion in their lives has some beauty, even if I can't bring myself to believe the specifics.  One of them is the idea of undeserved grace, sort of a generalized gratitude.  It's not a bad attitude. It is a good thing and a natural thing to be grateful for being alive, for being in this world.  

        “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

        by ivorybill on Thu May 23, 2013 at 10:08:19 AM PDT

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      •  Introspection, never a bad idea. (1+ / 0-)
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        I think we'd all benefit from doing that more, regardless of who we are.

        And by that I mean examing our lives, what we have, what we've done.

        Not spend the time trying to talk to a supernatural creature.

    •  One hand/the other hand (1+ / 0-)
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      On the one hand, I'm a non-theist with a Unitarian-Universalist community and a philosophy with multiple connections into various disciplines.

      On the other hand, in all practical, political and social ways that matter, I'm an atheist, because the complexity of religious and atheistic thought doesn't really matter when it comes to cases like the conflict between Mendez and Smith.

      I've also never met an atheist or theist who honestly said that anything was simple.

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