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  •  No, of course there were steps. (4+ / 0-)
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    MrJayTee, 3goldens, Radiowalla, caul

    One of these days I'm going to have to sit down and write about Nazi Germany, simply because most people have no idea other than that it was bad.

    That said, there's really no simple parallel to what you're talking about in the Third Reich. The closest contemporary American politics come to that era is, quite frankly, the Tea Party or the GOP under Bush. I could answer your question, but that would take more time and space than is appropriate in your diary.

    Could this country ever descend into a police state? Unlikely, I think, but that depends on how well we secure our fraying social fabric and the institutions of our civil society. Our government isn't nearly as powerful as it thinks it is.

    Fuck me, it's a leprechaun.

    by MBNYC on Wed May 22, 2013 at 05:39:02 PM PDT

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    •  Wow, a real civilized answer. (11+ / 0-)

      Completely at odds with the one I just responded to.

      Why couldn't you do this in the first place instead of being such a dick?

      As to a civilized answer of my own, I didn't say there was a parallel to Nazi Germany, so I have no earthy idea why you tell me there is no Nazi parallel in the US.  I know that.

      I said the repression of journalists is something police states do and that we have taken new steps down that road.  You don't need to agree, but responding to me as if I said we're becoming Nazis is not accurate or productive.

      And if we are on the road to becoming a police state, it doesn't have to be Nazi or Stalinist.  China is a police state, one where people are not being regularly hanged on meat hooks but journalists do self-censor because they face severe repression if they don't.

      WTF does it have to be like the Nazis?

      A slower bleed-out is not a sustainable value.

      by MrJayTee on Wed May 22, 2013 at 06:01:40 PM PDT

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      •  If you had said something (3+ / 0-)
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        along the lines of this, sure, I would have given you a non-snarky contribution. I do personally believe civilized dialogue is not just possible, but necessary. Certainly here, where we are all on the same side, nominally at least.

        But I do find a worrying trend on Daily Kos of sensationalism coupled with factionalism. We are not on the road to a police state, or if we are, that's either a very long road, or you're missing some crucial aspects of the journey. Take the omnipresence of Google, or Facebook's deep data mining, or NSA hoovering up every phone call in the world.

        These are deeply worrying things we have zero recourse for and also a few reasons why I generally laugh at the RKBA folks hyperventilating about the government taking their guns. Why would it?

        The problem on this site, as I see it, is that the odious rox-sux wars have cast every such discussion into a binary mold, for or against the President. And these days, it seems to be degenerating even further, with the camps exchanging insults or trading HRs instead of trying to reach some common ground.

        If that's a way to arrive at policy or even inform the debate, I haven't seen it yet. And meanwhile, we waste our time in meta fights with those Insidious Other People Who Are Wrong and Evil.

        Fuck me, it's a leprechaun.

        by MBNYC on Wed May 22, 2013 at 06:24:08 PM PDT

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