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  •  If you really think this is a "pickle", I suggest (4+ / 0-)

    you perform exactly one thought experiment: The very same "logic" used to justify these actions could have been used back in 1980 or 1981, by the British government, to blow up houses in Boston where aiders and abettors of the IRA were plotting, organizing, and recruiting.



    Think about that.

    Just try to really, really imagine for one tiny moment, that the UK had done such a thing.

    Because there is not one damned bit of difference between that case, and the cases in which we are raining extralegal death on people in countries where we have no jurisdiction and no authority to act, on our behalf or on anyone else's.

    America has gone mad. Completely. Fucking. Mad.

    To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

    by UntimelyRippd on Wed May 22, 2013 at 08:06:45 PM PDT

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    •  Thank you for a reasoned response (0+ / 0-)

      I guess I would say the main difference between these two situations would be that it was well within the power of the UK to request extradition of IRA terrorist suspects.  The United States would generally comply with such a request.  That would remove the need to bomb anyone.  I do vaguely remember there was a case in which an IRA escapee was not extradited upon request, but IIRC he was a lowly member who had left that life behind and was not an ongoing plotter.

      That dynamic doesn't hold true in Yemen or parts of Pakistan, let alone Somalia.  Nobody is going to extradite these malefactors, even if they are active plotters.

      Given that, I don't know what the solution is besides the ancient and universal law of self-defense.  Please don't interpret that to mean that I don't support making the process as transparent and judicious as possible, but I don't think we - or anyone - is obligated to stand by while our murder is being planned.

      No one likes armed missionaries. -- Robespierre.

      by Gator Keyfitz on Wed May 22, 2013 at 08:48:54 PM PDT

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      •  American disinclination to do anything about (0+ / 0-)

        US-based IRA fundraising and recruiting operations was a significant source of diplomatic tension during the Troubles.

        We will never know whether Pakistan or Yemen would have extradited any of these individuals, because we declined to build a legal case against them, indict them, and then request extradition based on those indictments.

        To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

        by UntimelyRippd on Thu May 23, 2013 at 08:06:39 AM PDT

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