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  •  You can't just inconvenience the (3+ / 0-)
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    Ray Pensador, jeff in nyc, erush1345

    "right" people. It's all or nothing.

    And this would be breaking the law as well. Or at least you would get arrested.

    If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

    by AoT on Wed May 22, 2013 at 04:22:42 PM PDT

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    •  Well, is it really "all or nothing," (2+ / 0-)
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      as you say, or is it possible to achieve some kind of compromise, minimizing inconvenience to the "wrong" people, while better targeting the "right" people?

      Again, Critical Mass has remained strictly a fringe movement, I believe, because they've discounted this question I'm asking.

      It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

      by karmsy on Wed May 22, 2013 at 05:30:47 PM PDT

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      •  critical mass has been hugely influential (1+ / 0-)
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        And if you haven't commuted by bike in SF and ridden then it's difficult to understand. It was the key to kicking off a radical bike movement in the bay. It brought a cohesion to cyclists in SF that just wasn't there without it. If you worry about PR all the time you'll not only not have fun, you'll also never win. Like good old red emma said. If I can't dance I don't want your revolution.

        If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

        by AoT on Wed May 22, 2013 at 10:14:56 PM PDT

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        •  Do you think more people have started (2+ / 0-)
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          bicycling because of Critical Mass? This would be the ultimate standard for an "influential" grassroots pro-cycling movement to meet.

          It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

          by karmsy on Thu May 23, 2013 at 06:39:30 AM PDT

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          •  i know people who have (1+ / 0-)
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            And it definitely makes people more comfortable riding in the city. I would also bet that the number of confrontations between cars and bikes are about the same for the numbers involved as happen in a regular day, it's just more visible because it happens at a more visible event. And because cyclists are more likely to stand up for themselves.

            If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

            by AoT on Thu May 23, 2013 at 07:13:34 AM PDT

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