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  •  This is good stuff (14+ / 0-)

    The pope is steering Catholics away from fundamentalist types of ideas where they thought they had the inside scoop with "the big guy" as long as they followed certain outward forms of behavior and conventions of thinking.  He's reminding them that it's about loving our fellow humans and demonstrating good based on that.

    A note:  I'm pretty sure "redeemed" in this context is much more complex than "pie in the sky when you die".

    I'm not liberal. I'm actually just anti-evil, OK? - Elon James White

    by Satya1 on Wed May 22, 2013 at 05:14:19 PM PDT

    •  Interesting point. (1+ / 0-)
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      Justification is closer to salvation in strict theological terms.

      What would Mothra do?

      by dov12348 on Wed May 22, 2013 at 05:46:59 PM PDT

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    •  love is the fulfilling of the law (1+ / 0-)
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      by TrueBlueMajority on Wed May 22, 2013 at 06:31:27 PM PDT

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      •  Not really (0+ / 0-)

        Jesus refused to treat the child of a non-Jewish woman, comparing her to a dog.

        He was only persuaded to do it by his disciples, who pointed out the woman's great faith.

        Love did not enter into that equation.

        •  persuaded to do so by his disciples? no. (0+ / 0-)

          the disciples said to send her away.

          it is true Jesus "refused" her at first, but he did perform the healing, and it was Jesus who praised her (non-Jewish) faith, not the disciples.

          Matthew 15:21-28

          21 Then Jesus went out from there and departed to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22 And behold, a woman of Canaan came from that region and cried out to Him, saying, “Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David! My daughter is severely demon-possessed.”

          23 But He answered her not a word.

          And His disciples came and urged Him, saying, “Send her away, for she cries out after us.”

          24 But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

          25 Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord, help me!”

          26 But He answered and said, “It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the little dogs.”

          27 And she said, “Yes, Lord, yet even the little dogs eat the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.”

          28 Then Jesus answered and said to her, “O woman, great is your faith! Let it be to you as you desire.” And her daughter was healed from that very hour.

          as for why he compared her to a dog, there are several progressive interpretations of that text.  whole shelves of books have been written about whether he "changed his mind", or whether he was trying to illustrate something to the surrounding crowd...

          you seem to have your mind made up in advance though, so i won't go into it unless you really want to know.  

          Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D.
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          by TrueBlueMajority on Wed May 22, 2013 at 08:01:28 PM PDT

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