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    all perpetrators of crime would be brought to justice, regardless of demographics and incomes...

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Wed May 22, 2013 at 05:12:53 PM PDT

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    •  Yes. (8+ / 0-)

      It is entirely reasonable to argue that currently the US or UK legal systems are becoming increasingly hostile to the poor and disenfranchised, and increasingly favor the rich and powerful.  But to say that the rule of law "has collapsed.  It's that simple" is, indeed, hyperbole, and not very helpful.

      "Trust me... I've been right before." ~ Tea party patriot

      by Calvino Partigiani on Wed May 22, 2013 at 05:18:59 PM PDT

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      •  i'm not even sure (4+ / 0-)

        they are increasingly hostile. or maybe it goes in phases, but it's not as if we have proud traditions of fairness and justice for the poor and the disenfranchised.

        The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

        by Laurence Lewis on Wed May 22, 2013 at 05:21:25 PM PDT

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      •  well tell me, who has been brought to justice (3+ / 0-)

        for the war crimes? economic fraud on a worldwide scale?

        as I ask this, you do know homeowners protesting are today being hauled away and arrested but not the bankers who WE KNOW illegally foreclosed on tons of homes... as we now know who are chasing customers for debt the customer never incurred...

        i ask this as we know wall street got to hire police we pay with our taxes to whack us for daring to say NO to them.

        rule of law... has collapsed. Obama thinks Bush is a good guy, gets a peace prize and has endorsed and expanded BushCo's war.

        what rule of law?

        “Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn’t do than by the ones you did do.” - Mark Twain

        by pfiore8 on Wed May 22, 2013 at 06:21:01 PM PDT

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        •  You seem to have missed my point. (10+ / 0-)

          1. Of couse countless war criminals and perpetrators of mass economic fraud have gone unprosecuted.  So we agree here.

          2. The rule of law in the US and UK still exists in some form, however deeply flawed.  

          You appear unaware or uniformed about the circumstances in other places around the world.  If you knew something about, say, Somalia in the 1990s, you would have a better sense of what it really means to have the rule of law collapse.

          "Trust me... I've been right before." ~ Tea party patriot

          by Calvino Partigiani on Wed May 22, 2013 at 06:36:16 PM PDT

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          •  lopsided enforcement of the law (3+ / 0-)

            speaks of the rule of the lawless. and they have no rules. so, imo, i'd say the rule of law is pretty much window dressing.

            not that there aren't moments of clarity and real judicial rulings... i admit i've still heard of these small miracles.

            by and large, though, those we've elected to enforce our laws are no longer accountable to the law and apparently they exempt their corporate donors from facing the law.

            unless of course you're a woman... Lynndie England or Harriet Miers or my favorite Martha Stewart. gee, fancy that... women taking the hits.

            “Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn’t do than by the ones you did do.” - Mark Twain

            by pfiore8 on Wed May 22, 2013 at 06:44:03 PM PDT

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            •  I know about the three American women you (6+ / 0-)

              mention.  They're well-known figures.  How well informed are you about, for instance, Hawa Abdi, or Meena Keshwar Kamal?

              If you had a somewhat better understanding of the world more widely, and women like Dr. Abdi and Meena, who bravely struggled and struggle in situations of true lawlessness, you would, I hope, be less self-righteous about your understanding of what the true collapse of the rule of law looks like.

              "Trust me... I've been right before." ~ Tea party patriot

              by Calvino Partigiani on Wed May 22, 2013 at 06:57:36 PM PDT

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              •  i don't understand much, true. (4+ / 0-)

                however, considering the hardships of others... and there are so many others, including animals, who suffer because there is virtually no accountability in so many places around the globe...
                or caused by the lack of accountability of war profiteers et al...

                there may be harder places to live once the rule of law is broken. but i believe it's all relative. it is what you know. in fact, we Americans may be much less equipped to deal with this collapse of the rule of law... because we think the good guy always wins or that he'll show up on his white steed and save us.

                from where I sit, the rule of law has collapsed in the USofA. it's just that we aren't as outwardly brutal, but we are getting there.

                “Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn’t do than by the ones you did do.” - Mark Twain

                by pfiore8 on Wed May 22, 2013 at 07:09:56 PM PDT

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