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  •  NOAA - Storm Prediction Center (2+ / 0-)
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    GreenMother, Roadbed Guy

    strongly recommends against large-span areas, even if reinforced:

    DANGER - GYMS and AUDITORIUMS: Large, open-span areas, such as gymnasiums, auditoriums and most lunchrooms, can be very dangerous even in weak tornadoes, and should not be used for sheltering people. This sort of room has inherent structural weaknesses with lack of roof support, making them especially prone to collapse with weaker wind loading than more compact areas of the same school building. Consider the aerial photo of Caledonia (MS) High School (below) as an outstanding example of this, when the near side was hit by a tornado in January 2008.

    http://www.spc.noaa.gov/....

    That is a very informative link and worthy of a full read, IMHO.

    If you scroll down the link about halfway, you'll see pictures of large-span areas.  Around this part of TX, during serious tornado threats, we try to keep students out of the gym, cafeteria & band hall.  For lunch, students get their food/drinks from the cafeteria and go back to the classrooms to eat.  This only happens a very few times a year, when radar shows large storms headed our way.

    The truth always matters.

    by texasmom on Thu May 23, 2013 at 06:39:42 AM PDT

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    •  It obviously should be underground . .. (2+ / 0-)
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      texasmom, The Jester

      (btw, I couldn't find anything relevant on the link you posted).

    •  Perhaps they should take a lesson from the (2+ / 0-)
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      a2nite, Roadbed Guy

      United States Navy, and use bulkheads and create a sort of honey comb area, so that there are more reinforced area within a space. Though I do believe that if at all possible that this should be underground too. Or perhaps something like what BOHICA depicted in their diary ---see commentary above.

      •  Sure, the Navy (1+ / 0-)
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        llywrch

        or maybe FEMA, or even Dick Cheney who rumor has it ran his administration from an undisclosed underground location.

        Bottom line, the feds have plenty of experience moving things underground, now if only the Red State types under the gun from tornadoes weren't so averse to seeking out and using this accumulated wealth of knowledge and experiences.

        •  I am pretty sure that this isn't one sided (1+ / 0-)
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          llywrch

          Much like the problem with veteran's benefits. That seems to have been boggled by each administration regardless, and/or ignored.

          Prior to Fallon we had a Democratic Governor and so?

          But then I read an old story that was really screwed up from Shawnee from 2012. The state closed down 2 out of three good shelters, right before storm season because those shelters did not adhere to the American's with Disabilities Act.

          WOW.

          Another story from DeKalb Al, in which the FEMA didn't want to let the city put up signs that point to public storm shelters.

          Stupidity abounds, and sometimes it comes from way up on high and not necessarily from us little people.

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