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  •  Once more (0+ / 0-)

    No, they don't prefer that. I believe you're being deliberately obtuse. Emergency managers prefer to save lives. The question is what process leads to the most lives saved for whatever money is spent.

    I would suggest you speak to your city's local emergency manager about why emergency managers in general don't like public shelters. It's not because they want people to die, but because they have evaluated the options and believe the issues associated with public shelters don't necessarily decrease fatalities. As a starting point, read what the city of Moore says here. They don't go into all of the issues associated with public shelters (how do you make sure they're open when you need them to be and closed when you don't want access to them, do you allow pets). They'd have to weigh the costs and issues associated with underground vs. hardened shelters. On 3 May 1999, there was an indirect death when a man in a wheelchair was dropped taking him into an underground shelter that ended up being 3 miles from the path. Access is a significant issue.

    Not counting the Indian mission school in 1917, there have been a total of 13 people killed in schools in the entire state of Oklahoma's history. That's less than the number killed in mobile homes in the last 4 years in the state. If your goal is to reduce death tolls, as mine is, then the focus should start by encouraging shelter options where people die often, not where they rarely die. For the $400,000,000 proposed for school shelters, you could provide shelters for 100,000 homes. If that money isn't allocated by the state, who's going to pay for these required shelters? Should the Norman and Oklahoma City and Putnam City and Mid-Del school districts have all closed for the day on Monday, even though tornadoes during the school day are rare in Oklahoma (75% of all tornadoes within 100 miles of OKC are on the ground between 5 and 9 PM).

    There has been one F5/EF5 tornado that has killed someone at a school in Oklahoma history (Monday) and there were no deaths at the school with the EF5 damage.

    •  I am not being Obtuse. I am merely tired of (0+ / 0-)

      this attitude from outsiders.

      Who is going to pay?

      The same people who are paying now.

      We pay for everything. Why not save some lives while we pay this time, instead of paying in money, time, and loss of lives.

      It's doable. This never has to happen again.

      I believe you are the one being obtuse.

      This Never Has To Happen Again.

      •  OK (0+ / 0-)

        I support putting a shelter in new construction, just as Moore did when they they repaired Westmoore and rebuilt Kelly Elementary. People should do shelters in their homes when they build new or add on. The added cost is small when part of a big project. The analyses that I've seen strongly suggest that doing new construction simply for storm shelters at schools will result in fewer lives saved per dollar spent than many other things.

        I don't understand what you mean about "outsiders." I live in Oklahoma. A friend is a teacher at Plaza Towers. I had a long talk yesterday with another friend who was in shelter with her students at a school that was missed by 100 yards.

        •  I find your statements hard to believe given (0+ / 0-)

          the nature of your previous statements.

          The fact that some schools don't have shelters is the cause of someone's short sightedness.

          What's done is done. Now we get to remedy this. Sometimes when you cut corners, you don't just pay in lives.

          It's time to do what should have been done a long time ago. It will cost us.

          It's going to suck. But it has to be done. It is the responsible thing to do .

          Poorer school districts have shelters outside of that area, that completely blows my mind. And then I am just thankful that the people in those areas were able to sacrifice enough or find access to funds to do what every district and every school should do, should have done, years ago.

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