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  •  Nope, you are still way off base (0+ / 0-)

    Those three were not "targeted" because of their liberal sounding words. The conservative groups were specifically targeted due to the words used to search for them. And since the 3 groups you refer were not approved, they have no beef. The conservative groups are all approved- but only after being subjected to delays and extra hassles.

    Get your facts straight. Read the IG report.

    •  I'd bet you that if I put the phrase (4+ / 0-)
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      "I hate the IRS and the Government of the US and protest their right to levy any form of taxation upon me" at the top of each page of my tax forms, I'd get some extra scrutiny from the IRS as well.

      "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." - John F. Kennedy -7.8., -6.6

      by helpImdrowning on Wed May 22, 2013 at 10:16:50 PM PDT

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    •  How do you know those three liberal groups (4+ / 0-)
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      weren't targeted? And how do you know they don't have a beef now?

      Puleeease, you're just making up shit now.

      And again, I repeat, ALL of the conservative groups were approved. Every single stinking one of them.

      ------"Load up on guns, bring your friends. It's fun to lose and to pretend."------- Kurt Cobain

      by Jeff Y on Wed May 22, 2013 at 10:31:42 PM PDT

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      •  Read the report (0+ / 0-)

        Then get back to me. You are the one making stuff up.

        No liberal terms were used to ID groups. Conservative terms were used. I am not appalled that conservative groups were targeted I am appalled that ANY political bias was used by the IRS.

        Yes they were all approved, meaning there was no reason to delay them in the first place.

        •  I already provided you with proof (0+ / 0-)

          of liberal groups being targeted.

          You're running around in circles now.

          ------"Load up on guns, bring your friends. It's fun to lose and to pretend."------- Kurt Cobain

          by Jeff Y on Thu May 23, 2013 at 10:39:53 AM PDT

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          •  No you didn't (0+ / 0-)

            "a" liberal group was examined and asked to clarify. They were not one of hundreds purposefully targeted with biased search terms that resulted in delays for years. You aren't running in circles but you are definitely spinning.

            •  Try reading the whole article (1+ / 0-)
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              That liberal group wasn't asked to "clarify", they were denied their application.

              I'm done wasting time on you, Slick. Your right wing, crackpot conspiracy theorist pals are over at Redstate, not here.

              ------"Load up on guns, bring your friends. It's fun to lose and to pretend."------- Kurt Cobain

              by Jeff Y on Thu May 23, 2013 at 03:17:49 PM PDT

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              •  I am sorry that facts (0+ / 1-)
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                make your world uncomfortable. Read the report. No liberal groups were "targeted". They had to clarify their applications and were denied. Unlike the opposite that happened with conservative groups which were targeted and got approved. My point is and has been that political bias against any group via the IRS is unacceptable, and so many here either do not know the facts of the case or more appalling, do not care.

                Not sure which one you fall in to, but I guess name calling is all you have left.

                •  The entire story is about liberal groups being (0+ / 0-)

                  targeted, you fucking moron. Hell, even Daily Kos was audited last year.

                  I'm done here. I'm tired of kicking your ass.

                  Like I said before, RedState is over there, Biff. Get lost. ------------------------------------------------------------>>>>

                  ------"Load up on guns, bring your friends. It's fun to lose and to pretend."------- Kurt Cobain

                  by Jeff Y on Thu May 23, 2013 at 08:37:06 PM PDT

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                  •  please, (0+ / 1-)
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                    Give a single iota of any evidence that liberal groups were "targeted". A single group found their application lacking and was not approved. That is not being "targeted".

                    Hundreds of applications were systematically "targeted" because of the conservative sounding words in their names.

                    IF I cures I;d call you that expletive moron as well.

                    you have not kicked anything but your own denial.

                    BYW, do you eat with that mouth?

                    If you have ANY evidence to the contrary please present that to me. The article does not.

                    •  iota this, right wing assclown (0+ / 0-)
                      In a statement late yesterday, the tax agency said it had pooled together the politically active nonpartisan applicants -- including a “minority” that were identified because of their names. “It is also important to understand that the group of centralized cases included organizations of all political views,” the IRS said in its statement.

                      http://www.bloomberg.com/...

                      ------"Load up on guns, bring your friends. It's fun to lose and to pretend."------- Kurt Cobain

                      by Jeff Y on Thu May 23, 2013 at 08:59:49 PM PDT

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                      •  OK you got me (0+ / 0-)

                        3 liberal groups were looked at. Wow, 3, not 300 conservative groups. Three. it's all equal now.

                        under pressure after admitting it targeted anti-tax Tea Party groups for scrutiny in recent years, also had its eye on at least three Democratic-leaning organizations seeking nonprofit status.

                        Assclown indeed. Sleep well.

                        •  When the name of your so-called (0+ / 0-)

                          'social welfare organization' stands for 'Taxed Enough Already', you deserve to be targeted. That's what the IRS is supposed to do,

                          ------"Load up on guns, bring your friends. It's fun to lose and to pretend."------- Kurt Cobain

                          by Jeff Y on Thu May 23, 2013 at 10:08:13 PM PDT

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                          •  Really dude? (0+ / 0-)

                            That is not what "they the IRS is supposed to do". You are Ok when the IRS decides that they can arbitrarily target groups because of their political affiliation? Wow. Nixon would be proud.

                            And again, the fallacy is that these groups did nothing to warrant the delay. Conservative (or liberal) sounding names aren't supposed to bring the wrath of the IRS upon you.

                            The IRS is not supposed to target anyone based on their opinions, which is what they did. They are supposed to enforce the tax code fairly and objectively. That's why heads are rolling now.

                          •  Yes, really, dude (0+ / 0-)

                            This whole "scandal" is complete crap.

                            The IRS was reviewing political organizations funded by big money donors (Koch bros, et al.) who were attempting to illegally not disclose their donors. The IRS was inundated with these applications, and used common sense to flag applications that were obviously shell political organizations posing as "social welfare organizations".

                            These Teabagger idiots got caught trying to game the tax system and are now complaining that they got caught using targeted methods.

                            Perhaps if they didn't try to subvert the system first and basically commit tax fraud none of this would have happened.  

                            ------"Load up on guns, bring your friends. It's fun to lose and to pretend."------- Kurt Cobain

                            by Jeff Y on Fri May 24, 2013 at 01:52:28 PM PDT

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                          •  You are absolutely wrong (0+ / 1-)
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                            1- You say "The IRS was reviewing political organizations funded by big money donors". You have any proof of that?  That is NOT how the use of conservative terms came to be used. In fact we have no idea WHO'S idea it was. In fact most of these orgs were budgets in single thousands. Small potatoes.

                            2- "he IRS was inundated with these applications, and used common sense to flag applications" No. As I have repeatedly pointed out. The use of these politically biased terms was implemented BEFROE the rise in applications began.

                            3- "were obviously shell political organizations posing as "social welfare organizations"." No again, as they all got approved, even after the unnecessary extra scrutiny.

                            4- "These Teabagger idiots got caught trying to game the tax system" Got caught how? When? Where?

                            Man I'm glad the URS admits their problem, I can't see why you won't.

                          •  All of these Tea Party groups that sprouted up (0+ / 0-)

                            seeking 501(c)(4) status were frauds. They weren't doing anything illegal, although it should be illegal.

                            The 501(c)(4) designation is for groups that can be fairly described as “social welfare organizations” or “local associations of employees.” Your average Tea Party group is neither of those things.

                            When you start describing anti-tax fanaticism as 'social welfare', you've allowed everything to be social welfare. "We're a social welfare group that tries to deny people access to health care!"

                            The other thing about 501(c)(4) groups is that they have to be for-profit and they can't have a primarily political purpose. Does that sound like a Tea Party group to you?

                            Maybe if the Republicans funded the IRS at an adequate level and didn't deluge them with bogus tax-avoidence schemes, the agency wouldn't feel compelled to take short cuts.

                            Now please do us all a favor and go fuck yourself, you right wing hack.

                            This case is closed.

                            You lost.

                            Go back to Planet Wingnuttia, troll boy.

                            ------"Load up on guns, bring your friends. It's fun to lose and to pretend."------- Kurt Cobain

                            by Jeff Y on Fri May 24, 2013 at 08:45:41 PM PDT

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                          •  HA HA HA (0+ / 1-)
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                            You are so amazingly lame. Reconcile:

                            All of these Tea Party groups that sprouted up (0+ / 0-)
                            seeking 501(c)(4) status were frauds
                            .

                            with:

                            They weren't doing anything illegal,
                            Holy cow, that is amazing... I am tying to figure that out.

                            "Republicans' don't fund the IRS

                            The targeting of conservative names began before any increase in applications.

                            In other words, while there was an increase in 2010, it was relatively small. The real jump did not come until 2011, long after the targeting of conservative groups had been implemented. Also, it appears Lerner significantly understated the number of applications in 2010 (“1500”) in order to make her claim of “more than doubled.”
                            You would think that someone so adamant in their olin would have a fact or two to back that up. nit the case.

                            And by the way, do you eat with that mouth? And I am sure your mother taught you better manners than to resort to vulgarity when you lose an argument.

                            If you ever, and I mean ever,  care to present a single solitary fact in this debate please let me know. Otherwise read and wise up.

                          •  They also weren't denied their applications (0+ / 0-)

                            Now get lost troll.

                            ------"Load up on guns, bring your friends. It's fun to lose and to pretend."------- Kurt Cobain

                            by Jeff Y on Fri May 24, 2013 at 10:39:23 PM PDT

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                          •  And by the way, assclown (0+ / 0-)

                            If you think I'm going to accept without question the word of the idiot who calls himself a 'fact-checker' (Kessler) at WaPo (the same idiot who just claimed that Jonathan Karl did nothing wrong re WH e-mails), you're more delusional than I thought you were.

                            See ya!

                            ------"Load up on guns, bring your friends. It's fun to lose and to pretend."------- Kurt Cobain

                            by Jeff Y on Fri May 24, 2013 at 10:48:53 PM PDT

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                          •  Right (0+ / 0-)

                            just take your word for it. Your inability to accept reality os bizarre.

                            How about this then assclown?

                            And that they weren't denied their apps is MY point. They were targeted for no rational reason. Can you read and think? Or did mommy make you get off the computer before you finish sounding out the big words?

                          •  Why should we be surprised (0+ / 0-)

                            that the IRS takes special attention to the tax forms of you Teabagger morons? Judging from the terrible spelling on your protest signs, attention to detail isn’t really your thing.

                            ------"Load up on guns, bring your friends. It's fun to lose and to pretend."------- Kurt Cobain

                            by Jeff Y on Sat May 25, 2013 at 01:19:30 PM PDT

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                          •  can you please read (0+ / 0-)

                            or get your mommy to read to you? This has all been explained. They were singled out excuse of politics, which is not OK> for anyone.

                            I'll ask you Why WOULD the IRS have any reason to single them out?

                            And don't call me names just because you can't read or think.

              •  What "conspiracy"? n/t (0+ / 1-)
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    •  To steal another analogy from (4+ / 0-)

      another user here (forgot who it was):

      Let's say I have a couple of bumper stickers on my car like:

      I FUCKING HATE COPS
      LOVIN' THIS FAT DOOB I'M SMOKIN'

      I should probably expect some flashing red and blue lights behind me at some point, no?




      Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
      ~ Jerry Garcia

      by DeadHead on Wed May 22, 2013 at 10:56:36 PM PDT

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      •  No (0+ / 0-)

        But that has zero to do with my point.

        •  No? (1+ / 0-)
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          I shouldn't expect that? Tell you what, you put those stickers on your car for a week and get back to me with the results.

          And it had EVERYTHING to do with you with your point, because it was analogous to it.

          But you keep on fighting the good fight here on this. Good luck.




          Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
          ~ Jerry Garcia

          by DeadHead on Thu May 23, 2013 at 03:26:15 PM PDT

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          •  What does that have to do (0+ / 0-)

            With conservative groups targeted without reason?  Please explain your fallacy.

            •  How do you target something and (0+ / 0-)

              not have a reason for targeting it?




              Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
              ~ Jerry Garcia

              by DeadHead on Thu May 23, 2013 at 10:34:59 PM PDT

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              •  Exactly my point (0+ / 0-)

                There was no reason. There was no indication of any wrong doing. They simply used conservative names, which is also known as bias. It could have been liberal names. Doesn't matter it was arbitrary and I hope it wasn't capricious.

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