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  •  Here's a better question: (4+ / 0-)
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    Ender, Sue B, JeffW, high uintas

    Why the fuck are you fighting this battle here?

    I don't give a fuck what the president said. I told you how I feel about it.

    If the president had NOT taken the action he did, you would have found fault with THAT, right?

    So what do you want from Daily Kos?

    If you're looking for some kind of mass Mea Culpa, you're gonna be waiting a long time.

    Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
    ~ Jerry Garcia

    by DeadHead on Wed May 22, 2013 at 10:40:12 PM PDT

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    •  I am appalled (0+ / 0-)

      that people would defend these actions of the IRS and call themselves progressive. But at least you say it is a "feeling" and no logic. I hope "feel" good if it ever happens to our side.

      •  You are talking about big money (0+ / 0-)

        political groups complaining about a fucking questionaire for fucks sake. Groups that HATE TO PAY TAXES are rightly looked at a little closer for the possibility THAT THEY ARE ACTING ON THEIR HATRED FOR PAYING TAXES.

        Are you worried about the IRS targeting you because you have a 'T' in your username? Is that it?

        Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
        ~ Jerry Garcia

        by DeadHead on Thu May 23, 2013 at 03:20:50 PM PDT

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        •  Answer a question or two (0+ / 0-)

          Have you read the report? Actually it is self evident you haven't. The groups were delayed for almost three years in getting their status conformed. And spent extra time money and resources on MUCH more than simple questionnaires.

          Do think it is OK for the IRS to target ONLY one end of the political/opinion/ideological groups and not others  - without any indication they are fraudulent?

          What makes you think the IRS should just determine that the name Patriot means "hates paying taxes"?

          Will you be OK when it happens to liberal groups instead of conservative ones?

        •  PS (0+ / 0-)

          These were not Big money groups. If you look at them they were nearly all small time operations. Here is just a sample.

          The Colorado groups affected are universally small and self-defined as grassroots. Their budgets are mostly in the single thousands of dollars a year and mostly derived from dues-paying members. They said in interviews with The Denver Post that they hold picnics and forums and try to recruit neighbors to hear about conservative ideas and philosophy.
          You may want to get some facts rather than knee jerk to conclusions that confirm your opinions.
          •  Whatever (0+ / 0-)
            Since 2009, the Tea Party Patriots, a large national umbrella group, has claimed no fewer than 3,500 affiliates. Many applied for nonprofit status with the IRS, a prime reason the agency was so overwhelmed with applications. The people leading these groups were often neophytes politically and organizationally—or, as Dan Backer, a lawyer for, explained in an interview with Mother Jones this week, "they didn't understand the complexity of what's involved."

            Other tea partiers were part of a constellation of right-wing groups that seek to make money with fundraising appeals for conservative causes. And finally, some high-profile tea party leaders wrestled with personal tax problems before trying to start new political organizations.

            Whether the IRS focused on any specific groups for any of these reasons is not clear. But here are some examples of these groups and why the IRS might have wanted to take a closer look at them:

            True The Vote/King Street Patriots: True the Vote was among the active conservative groups that sought to police the polls during the 2010 and 2012 elections to root out alleged voter fraud. The group was created by the King Street Patriots, a Houston-based tea party organization and a 501(c)(4). But True the Vote is a 501(c)(3), a tax-exempt designation that allows a group's donors to write off their contributions but also has strict rules prohibiting electioneering and partisan political activity. True the Vote and King Street share board members and often co-sponsored events. [...]


            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
            ~ Jerry Garcia

            by DeadHead on Thu May 23, 2013 at 10:50:31 PM PDT

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