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  •  a note on STID, kirk death scene (9+ / 0-)

    do we know in fact than khan mis-aligned the warp core, or did admiral marcus do it during the sabotage?  

    i knew kirk would not stay dead.  

    son is interested in man of steel, i think.  

    Ted Kennedy: “The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die…”

    by jlms qkw on Wed May 22, 2013 at 09:12:12 PM PDT

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    •  I Don't Think It's Made Clear.... (8+ / 0-)

      But I thought the Warp Drive was damaged during the attack by the Vengeance.

      As soon as they inserted the scene about Khan's platelets and the Tribble, I knew it would come back into play later in the story.

    •  Some of us haven't seen the movie (9+ / 0-)


      "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

      by wader on Wed May 22, 2013 at 09:21:01 PM PDT

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    •  George W. Kirk? (8+ / 0-)

      Did you see this one?

      The Atlantic: George W. Bush Might Approve of Star Trek Into Darkness

      The plot certainly appears at first to offer to a liberal perspective on the War on Terror.


      After tracking the terrorist to his hiding spot in, ahem, a cave on a distant planet, Kirk eventually complies with Spock's wishes and captures, rather than kills, the target.

      It is a setup for a thoughtful discussion of the merits of fighting terror with terror, and the first half of the film interweaves the politics with the plot well. After Harrison reveals his true identity, however, most of the surface-level political drama evaporates as Abrams opts for a slam-bang action finale. In other words, the film becomes more like the rogue Kirk and less like the intellectual, logical Spock. That's a more significant shift that it might seem: The competing values of Kirk and Spock make up the subtextual throughline of the film, but they also offer a perfect distillation of the political divisions that have defined America since 9/11.

      When the Star Trek reboot was released in 2009, more than a few pundits noticed a parallel between Spock and our newly elected president. Obama's mixed racial heritage was the most superficial comparison (Spock is half Vulcan, half human), but, perhaps more significantly, each were said to eschew purely emotional decision-making and tout reason and logic as fundamental virtues. These qualities were seen as separating Obama both from his 2008 opponent, John McCain, who used his impressive history as a war hero to portray himself as a man of action, and from George W. Bush.

      The Spock-Obama analogy becomes more convincing in light of the fact that Kirk, Spock's philosophical opposite, seems modeled after the man Obama replaced.


      That the film ends up siding with Bush-like leadership comes as a bit of surprise, after the thoughtful rhetoric of the first half. But that muddled political message reflects our schizophrenic political culture.

      •  That Article Is A Bit Of A Stretch (8+ / 0-)
        • It's Kirk & Spock that decide to disobey Starfleet Command (which wants the Enterprise to use drones torpedoes) and decide to capture Khan so he can be put on trial.
        • The main theme of the movie is Kirk learning responsibility. Arguably, this Kirk faces death in a way that Shatner's Kirk didn't confront till he was an old man. And one of the pivotal moments of the film is when Kirk turns over control of the Enterprise to Kirk because he realizes that Spock would be the better person to sit in the center seat at that particular moment.
        • Kirk's speech at the end of the movie:
        Captain Kirk: "There will always be those who mean to do us harm. To stop them, we risk awakening the same evil within ourselves. Our first instinct is to seek revenge when those we love are taken from us. But that’s not who we are… When Christopher Pike first gave me his ship, he had me recite the Captain’s Oath. Words I didn’t appreciate at the time. But now I see them as a call for us to remember who we once were and who we must be again."
    •  Who Knew Bugs Bunny Spoke Klingon (8+ / 0-)

      I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

      by JML9999 on Wed May 22, 2013 at 09:33:56 PM PDT

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