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  •  Plenty of people in the center and left (2+ / 0-)
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    are arguing against that bridge as well.  Many of different political stripes think its a giant boondoggle, and would be happy to see WA legislature kill it.

    "Who the hell is Grover Norquist, anyway?" - George H.W. Bush

    by rsmpdx on Thu May 23, 2013 at 08:44:12 PM PDT

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    •  The only boondoggle is (4+ / 0-)
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      the constant fighting over light rail and toll funding that is forever dragging out the design/planning process (=$$$). Bigass bridges cost bigass money. Both WA and OR Governors agreed to fast track the least expensive design last year. I work with engineers that deal with large public works projects and they say the political reality is that the project will never get Federal funding without light rail. No light rail = no fed funds = no bridge. The right knows no light rail is a poison pill. Go with the least expensive design and build the damn thing!

      Portland Mayor candidate Jefferson Smith (liberal) was against any bridge and wanted that $$$ to go for schools. I liked him but thought that was nutty (I'm single, no kids and vote for every school levy that comes my way). Beyond Smith, I personally know very few on the left that are against the bridge.

      •  CRC fail on planned clearance, (3+ / 0-)
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        which has nothing to do with light rail or tolling.

        OR Treasurer Ted Wheeler questioning the viability of issuing bonds:

        A report by Oregon Treasurer Ted Wheeler found that "key assumptions in the traffic and toll revenue forecast used in the 2008 [Draft Environmental Impact Statement] are now outdated", and says that tolling will result in up to $598 million less than predicted earlier. (Wikipedia)

        "Who the hell is Grover Norquist, anyway?" - George H.W. Bush

        by rsmpdx on Thu May 23, 2013 at 09:22:58 PM PDT

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        •  Yes, Catch-22... kinda (4+ / 0-)
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          Too high and it interferes with Pearson Field air space (adjacent small airport) Too low and interferes with one or (two?) upstream manufacturers that ship large assemblies down river. No work-around Pearson Field. There are ways work around low height issues like compensate manufacturing companies to move down river, or make smaller assemblies that can be assembled bigger down river of the bridge, or buy them out. Or we can just let West coast transportation continue to choke until the old bridge collapses.  

          •  Frankly... (1+ / 0-)
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            I say screw Pearson Field... there are small airports all over the area. There's only one I-5 bridge. Why in the world are they making exceptions for Pearson Field?  

            Freedom isn't free. So quit whining and pay your taxes.

            by walk2live on Thu May 23, 2013 at 10:00:10 PM PDT

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            •  Pearson Field (1+ / 0-)
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              Pearson Field is one of the oldest operating airfields in the US and in September 2012 received national recognition through the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) as a historic aerospace site.

              Located directly east of I-5 and just north of Highway 14 and the Columbia River, Pearson Field is easily accessible by land and air. The airport is operated by the City of Vancouver, Washington, which owns 61.8 acres of the 134.4-acre airport site. The remaining 72.6 acres are owned by the National Park Service and lie within the Vancouver National Historic Reserve. Pearson Field is the only airport in the U.S. that operates totally within the boundaries of a national historic reserve./blockquote>

              •  Not too impressed with that... (0+ / 0-)

                None of this makes Pearson very special. Are there really people traveling to Vancouver saying "wow, Pearson field - I can't believe I'm really here!". And a tall bridge wouldn't plow it under - it would just create an obstacle that would make the airport less-usable, or perhaps un-usable. I think the world would get-along just fine... as would Vancouver.

                If they were planning to do something like re-route I-5 over Fort Vancouver, that'd be a completely different kind of thing.

                At the end of the day, it's an airfield. I also find it amusing how it was "recognized" right when the debate over the I-5 bridge was heating-up.

                Freedom isn't free. So quit whining and pay your taxes.

                by walk2live on Fri May 24, 2013 at 10:23:52 AM PDT

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        •  Didn't know of the latest Ted Wheeler stuff (1+ / 0-)
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          Thanks!

          reading....

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