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  •  Great questions! (1+ / 0-)
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    1) Ellsberg got a mistrial due to sloppy investigations.  Might as well ask why OJ walked.  

    2) The NY Times case was about censoring the publication of the papers, not the legality of the leak and the solicitation thereof.  

    3) How do we know that the reporters during the Bush administration didn't have their phones tapped and e-mails searched?  Remember: we don't really need warrants anymore, thanks to FISA.  

    4) Obama has always made it clear that he is cracking down on leaks, and the Congress has long been in full-throated support.  Me too, for that matter.  

    5) You point out that a mere handful of reporters have gotten their records searched over the last 4+ years, while the bulk of reporters working with leaks have not, and yet you're actually worried about a chilling effect?  

    Conservatives need to realize that their Silent Moral Majority is neither silent, nor moral, nor a majority.

    by nominalize on Fri May 24, 2013 at 10:15:12 AM PDT

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    •  Obama's DoJ is pursuing more Esionage Act (6+ / 0-)

      cases than all other administrations combined — twice. You're telling me that won't have a chilling effect?

      They only need to go after a few. The rest will get the hint.

      Finally, are you saying that even Nixon didn't argue that what the reporters did in soliciting the Pentagon Papers was illegal?

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      by Code Monkey on Fri May 24, 2013 at 10:21:13 AM PDT

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      •  The Rosen case was in 2009 (0+ / 0-)

        and that slowed down exactly, nobody.  

        Conservatives need to realize that their Silent Moral Majority is neither silent, nor moral, nor a majority.

        by nominalize on Fri May 24, 2013 at 10:39:44 AM PDT

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        •  If we only find out now, (0+ / 0-)

          how can it have had its chilling effect already?

          And how the fuck can we be sure that secrets didn't get published that would have been?

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          by Code Monkey on Fri May 24, 2013 at 11:25:08 AM PDT

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          •  the affidavit was unsealed in 2011 (0+ / 0-)

            and journalists have been talking about "chilling effects" for decades.  Always about "it could happen."  Yeah, and universal background checks "could lead" to a tyrannical gun grab.  

            Leaks will still happen if there's something big to leak (like, say, the Pentagon Papers).  Ordinary intel on North Korean nuclear tests is not the same thing, and isn't worth breaking the law for.  If journalists don't work as much getting leaks, then a) policy wonks in DC won't have as much to read, boo hoo, and b) they'll have to use other methods of investigative journalism.  It's not like there was no such thing as journalism before leaks.  

            Conservatives need to realize that their Silent Moral Majority is neither silent, nor moral, nor a majority.

            by nominalize on Fri May 24, 2013 at 01:48:20 PM PDT

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    •  You fully support crack downs on leaks (2+ / 0-)
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      Just what is it you are so afraid to know?   That you no longer live in a free country?

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