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  •  Well if you have a 15 year old son... (11+ / 0-)

    ... keep him away from my 12 year old daughter.   It's my job as a parent to decide their boundaries not you.   When she turns 15 I will still feel the same way about your 18 year old.

    Would I make the same choices as the alleged victims' parents did, doubtful.   Would I make the FL law looser?  Probably not.   This is a right parents have and we can't force others to have our same opinions.   FL actually has fairly lenient consent laws compared to others.

    •  We all agree with that (5+ / 0-)
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      Eyesbright, poco, cynndara, twigg, ranger995

      What we're wondering is whether an otherwise consensual sexual relationship between two people who are close in age and go to school together should be a felony.

      Lots of parents don't want their kids to do things, often for good reason. Doesn't provide good justification for felony charges.

      (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
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      by Sparhawk on Fri May 24, 2013 at 04:02:05 PM PDT

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      •  So if they went to different schools (4+ / 0-)

        you'd be fine with the felony charge? What if it were different schools REALLY close together?

        Sorry, but it is NOT the progressive position to deny the scientific evidence regarding development differences between early adolescents and people 3 or more years older than they.

        I'm thinking every high school senior knows what 'jail-bait' means, and I like this law and the handling of this case just fine.

        Too late for the simple life, too early for android love slaves - Savio

        by Clem Yeobright on Fri May 24, 2013 at 04:10:54 PM PDT

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      •  Do you think a 14 year old is old enough (0+ / 0-)

        to give consent?

        In that case, I don't see how the age restriction plays in.  If they can give consent to an 18 year old they can give consent to a 50 year old.

        And I say this as a girl who lost my virginity at late 15 to a 19 year old.

      •  Would you say the same if it were a 18 year old (1+ / 0-)
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        man who lived across town and talked to the 14 year old over the internet for months and they "fell" in love?  And the 18 year old talked this girl into leaving with him for the night etc....even if she said yes.  What if the 18 year old got her pregnant?  

        What about an 18 year old man who was also a school janitor, because he just graduated?  He talked to this 14 year old everyday and they fell "in love"....so they started having sex in the bathrooms?   Okay with that?

        Consent laws are there for a reason.  I have worked with kids almost my entire adult life.  There is a huge difference mentality and emotionally between an 18 year old senior high aged adult and a 14 year old (most are in 8th grade) child.  The younger girl mostly likely had never had sex, perhaps never even been approached for sex and very, very likely has no idea what "love" is at this age.  She most likely looked up to this girl....and was convinced to have sex by her.  It is no different than an 18 year old man coming on to a child.  Hence the reason not a single state in the US allows sex with anyone under the age of 16...unless both parties are minors, and even then it is but a few places.

        This was a case of an adult having sex with a child...all day long.  

    •  That would be a different crime. (4+ / 0-)

      When a 15 year-old has sex with a 12-year-old, that's rape of a child, which is usually a very serious felony that legally ranks with non-consensual and forced rape. Legally, it's far more serious than what happened in FL.

      Moreover, in many cases, your parental rights are generally not so great that you can send the other kid to prison. You might not want a 14-year old to have sex with a 15-year-old, but that's not a crime. If this case had occurred in TN, it wouldn't be a crime.

      •  So two 12-yr-olds is a criminal act? (1+ / 0-)
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        I'm having trouble understanding you.

        12-12: somebody goes to jail.
        15-12: ditto.
        15-14: that's cool.
        18-14: that's cool too.
        43-14: ???
        Am I close?

        Too late for the simple life, too early for android love slaves - Savio

        by Clem Yeobright on Fri May 24, 2013 at 04:15:55 PM PDT

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        •  It depends on the state. (2+ / 0-)
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          I can only speak to TN because i looked it up earlier today out of curiosity.  (I live in TN.)

          12-12: both could go to prison as juveniles although I doubt any DA would care.

          15-12: Top tier felony. 15+ years.

          15-14: legal

          18-14: legal in TN

          43-14: low tier felony

          However, I also know that in CA, for 17-17, both are guilty. Messed up, yes?

          •  Whoever said the law is an ass (3+ / 0-)
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            penguins4peace, notrouble, poco

            was guilty of cruelty to animals.

          •  Which is why, in CA, juries need to be aware (1+ / 0-)
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            of what the consequences are of voting guilty on cases where the victim consented and there is no use of violence, threats, intoxicants, or coercion.

            Kaitlyn Hunt is the poster girl for a flawed system. I agree that many of her supporters would not be supporting her if she were a male. However, the system is flawed and she may be the key to changing a flawed system.

            Short-term solution: jurors vote not guilty.

            Long-term solution: legislators change the law to make sure that cases like this are referred for counseling rather than jail.

      •  Nope. The law in FL is having sex with a child (3+ / 0-)

        12-16. No less a felony at 16 than it is at 12.

        I'd like to start a new meme: "No means no" is a misnomer. It should be "Only 'Yes' means yes." Just because someone doesn't say "No" doesn't mean they've given consent. If she didn't say "Yes", there is no consent.

        by second gen on Fri May 24, 2013 at 04:19:18 PM PDT

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    •  So (1+ / 0-)
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      you think this should be a felony as opposed to a misdemeanor?

      How would you feel if your 15 year old were having sex with a 17 year old?

      •  If that 17 year old was a jag... (4+ / 0-)

        ... off who wouldn't stop shtooping my son/daughter after I had requested they do so ... yep, they're guilty of statuatory rape and it's my perogative to decide if the law should be enforced.

        BTW, when I was 20 in college I picked up an adorable girl in a summer-semester Spanish class.  We went out and I go the idea that she had never had a mixed drink before so I asked and sure enough she was "almost sixteen".   Now, I was all hormones and had the ethics of a Hun but I knew better.  I left her with a requested, concentual hick to show her friends and a warning not to go out with college guys at 15.   I can ask that level of maturity from my 15 year old son and I would demand it from anyone dating him.

        •  Wrong. (1+ / 0-)
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          If that 17 year old was a jag off who wouldn't stop shtooping my son/daughter after I had requested they do so ... yep, they're guilty of statuatory rape
          You are not the controlling authority. If can ask the person to back off, that his/her actions can be legal with your objections not withstanding.
          and it's my perogative to decide if the law should be enforced.
          Again, no. It's the state's prerogative. It's up to the police, the DA, the judges, and the jury. Anything else is vigilante justice.

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