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  •  Great Post! (3+ / 0-)

    I think that at the core of AGW denialism is an underlying and understandable aversion to the socioeconomic implications of transitioning to a post-fossil-fueled world, namely, the end of the economic and financial growth paradigm and the enormous challenges posed by creating a new one based on steady-state economics.

    Our industrial civilization is about to be turned on its head and it scares the living hell out of them.  As well it should - - such a conscious and deliberate transition has never been attempted before, let alone accomplished.  And if it is, it is going to be neither quick nor easy.

    BAU is much more pleasant to think and dream about.

    Pessimism of the intellect; optimism of the will. - - Antonio Gramsci

    by lehman scott on Fri May 24, 2013 at 07:42:37 PM PDT

    •  thanks lehman scott (2+ / 0-)
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      for the kind feedback.


      I just wish people'journalists/reps would start calling BS, on these Climate Deniers,

      by starting with:  Prove it!

      •  There is a guy (0+ / 0-)

        here in WNC who is constantly "proving it" w/ opinions in the local paper.  Problem is most of the local yokels are into conspiracy theories and government takeover that they pretty much believe the gobblely-gook he presents as 'evidence'.

        I'm no scientist (he is) so it's difficult for me to present the cogent argument against all his 'facts and figures'.  So only true bit of ammunition I have is sarcasm and that's too complicated for the local yokels.  What we have here is a real conundrum.

        •  Ignore the gobbledy-gook (0+ / 0-)

          Stick with simple facts. The ice is melting and the sea is rising and turning acid. (Although <snark>not in Oklahoma</snark>.) Storms, floods, and droughts are getting worse, even in Oklahoma. Renewable power will soon cost less than carbon. It already does in Australia. Wind and solar will create permanent non-polluting jobs that cannot be outsourced.

          Don't tell them this bit:

          We have nothing to fear but fear itself.
          Except among Republicans for whom lack of fear is to be feared above all else.

          Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

          by Mokurai on Sat May 25, 2013 at 07:45:49 AM PDT

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    •  Who says we can't have growth using (1+ / 0-)
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      renewable energy? We still need to put an end to poverty worldwide, and all of the ills that go with it.

      Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

      by Mokurai on Sat May 25, 2013 at 07:37:24 AM PDT

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      •  A good place to start (0+ / 0-)

        is Richard Heinberg, Mokurai.  Then check out CASSE.  Also, if you want to go back in history, even Adam Smith and John Stuart Mill recognized that infinite economic growth was impossible on a finite resource base.

        While it is undoubtedly true that the undeveloped parts of the world are in need of some economic growth to raise their living standards and that this should happen, there is not enough of the planet to go around for the majority of them to ever reach US living standards.  And while we definitely should grow the sectors of the global economy which generate and store renewable energy, there is no way in the foreseeable future that RESs will replace the cheap high-energy-density fossil fuels that have enabled and powered the last 150 years of economic growth that our socioeconomic and financial systems are currently based on.

        The laws of physics dictate that a global steady-economy is inevitable on a finite planet with limited non-renewable resources.  The sooner we acknowledge this certainty the less painful the transition will be.

        Pessimism of the intellect; optimism of the will. - - Antonio Gramsci

        by lehman scott on Sat May 25, 2013 at 01:40:19 PM PDT

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