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  •  That's exactly what I did NOT say. (2+ / 0-)
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    barleystraw, kurt

    See added comment, right above you.  

    But pretending we're 100% innocent in the world while  others are 100% evil is simplistic, jingoistic, and ultimately unhelpful, not to mention untrue.  Actions have consequences, including ours--so we'd do well to act carefully and wisely if we want to protect our long-term best interests.

    We have a long history of supporting countries and politicians across the globe who oppressed their own people and others.  We also directly--as with Native Americans, as with drones--have a history of turning a blind eye to what we're actually doing to other people who "just don't matter" as much.  

    No matter what side you stand on or where you cut the chain of cause and effect to say "This was the beginning," there's always a justification for violence, for striking back.  Which is why this goes on and on and on . . .

    Or what is your explanation?  Why us, on 9/11?  Why not Canada or Uruguay or Nepal?  Because they "hate our freedoms"?  

    "If a man loses his reverence for any part of life, he will lose his reverence for all of life." — Albert Schweitzer

    by mozartssister on Sat May 25, 2013 at 03:13:35 PM PDT

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    •  For one thing, they hate that we're rich. (0+ / 0-)

      We're wealthier than most any other country. They hate that we're friends with Israel. And they hate our breed of evangelical protestantism. And they hated people like George W. Bush, who is obviously an idiot. People who think that if we just leave them alone they will stop are hopelessly naive. This is a tiny percentage of Moslems who are violent in nature and have lots of reasons to kill Westerners. The drone attacks have coincided with a reduction in terrorist attacks, and the drone attacks themselves have declined over time. So it is clearly working.

      •  Coincided? Are you saying that there is a (1+ / 0-)
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        causality here? As far as most of the world is concerned Obama is just another aggressor like Bush. It is not only that we are rich (or that our masters are rich, more appropriately). It is that we exploit resources and deny access to these resources to other countries. We have supported corrupt dictators with American military force while these dictators stole from the people. I/P is a huge issue that places the US in the position of being blames by just about every country in the world holding us responsible for what Israel does. Basic issues like access to water, the ability to trade, the ability to access International courts are limited by the US.

        Drones are not working. Carpet bombing did not help in Vietnam. The Blitz did not work for the Germans. And allied air attacks on Germany did not end the war or even reduce military armament production. Drones unify our enemies against us. Something that may be a smart tactical move maybe a very bad strategic move.

      •  We left them alone for 100 years. (1+ / 0-)
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        Did they attack us?

        Between the end of the conflict with the Barbary Pirates and our attack on the Moros in the Philippines, did we have any conflict with any Muslims anywhere?

        "The thing about smart motherfuckers is that they sound like crazy motherfuckers to dumb motherfuckers." Robert Kirkman

        by JesseCW on Sun May 26, 2013 at 05:17:50 AM PDT

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