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    I almost drowned in jeans in a lake. So I know how heavy they get.
    The psychology of fear can lead people to believe what is not true to be true .

    Telling people that jeans will get as heavy as lead
    could cause people to believe that they are being held down
    by their jeans , put a panic into them that could cause problems .
    Irrational fear can kill .
    Putting info out that can cause irrational fear can cause real problems .

    If you wish to see the reality of the weight of jeans in water , take a pair of dry jeans , weigh them dry with a fisherman's  scale ,
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    then lower them into water and see the weight of them under water .
    The weight under water isn't lead like .

    Don't confuse the wet weight above water with the wet weight below water .

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    by indycam on Sun May 26, 2013 at 11:52:48 AM PDT

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    •  indie, do I come to your diaries (5+ / 0-)

      and argue with you? No, I do not.

      You are not an expert. I know what I'm saying. Forget that psychological stuff. I'm talking about not drowning.

      When one is drowning the only reality is getting back up to the surface and out of the water!

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      by rebel ga on Sun May 26, 2013 at 08:40:48 PM PDT

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      •  If you repeat things that are not true (1+ / 0-)
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        things that can cause problems ...

        indie, do I come to your diaries
        and argue with you? No, I do not.
        So you don't want a discussion ? You want your diary to be unchallenged and taken as the truth ?
        You are not an expert. I know what I'm saying.
        Care to put money on that ? Are you willing to put money where your mouth is ?
        When one is drowning the only reality is getting back up to the surface and out of the water!
        Do you scuba dive ? Do you free dive ? Have you ever been to / seen / been around a decompression chamber ?
        Have you ever saved a person from drowning ?

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        Forget that psychological stuff. I'm talking about not drowning.
        Forget that "psychological stuff" ? Panic kills . Panic is that "psychological stuff". Clear thinking sans panic is what is safe and sane . Irrational fear , fear that is unnecessary , fear that endangers , fear that is a killer , is something to avoid . People who put irrational fears into others , need pushing back on .

        If someone goes into the water with jeans on and they spend any time dealing with a non problem like

        You'll sink like a stone!
        I was wearing jeans and they became heavy as lead and were pulling me under and that was it!
        instead of dealing with what is really going on , they will be distracted based on fears that are unfounded . While dealing with non problems they can get into real problems .

        I've owned boats , I own a boat now .
        I've owned surfboards , I own surfboards now .
        I've owned scuba gear , I own scuba gear now .
        I have surfed , dived and sailed for many many years .
        I've been trained and had decades of experience in and around water .

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        by indycam on Mon May 27, 2013 at 10:11:09 AM PDT

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    •  They may not weigh much more, but they add a lot (2+ / 0-)
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      of resistance. There is a reason why swim and dive attire is tight fitting and not billowy. Jeans may not add a lot to your actual weight, but they can add a lot of drag.  When the margin between safe and dead is very narrow, you don't need factors that tip the scale the wrong way.

      There's also a difference between sowing fear and creating awareness. If you know to expect that your mobility might be lessened by your clothing, you are in a better position to think clearly and remove it. You have lots of experience so you can make some of these life saving decisions subconsciously. For someone who doesn't have the background, this info helps.

      It's always appropriate to suggest caution; people can ignore if they wish. Suggesting that people ignore precautions regardless of their experience level is a bad idea.

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