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  •  His wife beating records, medical records, texts (21+ / 0-)

    should also be seen by the public. They won't though. He has a wrap sheet, not Trayvon. Martin's texts reveal that he was a typical teen, at least in this century. He,  like many teens talked stupid to his friends. There is nothing typical about woman beating George. Everytime I see his ugly murderous face on TV, I want to vomit.

    •  Let's just say that Travon was a gun toting thug. (6+ / 0-)

      But that night he wasn't carrying a gun or doing anything illegal.

      Let's say Travon was a convicted murderer who already did his time, was 50 years old and wasn't carrying a gun or doing anything illegal.

      How would any of that matter?  You don't get to walk up to someone at night for no reason and start talking to them without expecting some kind of response. And Zimmerman suspected that this was a criminal type of person he was approaching.  He suspected he was approaching a person prone to criminal activity, and he brought a gun.

      Sure, Zimmerman may have "stepped to" the wrong dude. Still his bad call.

      Then he "had to" use his firearm. And he had ALREADY called the cops!

      None of that is in dispute. I wasn't there, didn't see it, but that much is true based on Zimmerman's own story.  He f'ed up and killed someone. Isn't that what manslaughter is?

      "Jersey_Boy" was taken.

      by New Jersey Boy on Sat May 25, 2013 at 08:10:43 PM PDT

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      •  Doesn't mean he can't defend himself (2+ / 0-)
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        Sure, Zimmerman may have "stepped to" the wrong dude. Still his bad call.
        That doesn't eliminate the availability of self-defense.

        re: approaching M: there was a rash of burglaries.  He did exactly what I'd want him to do.  There was an interesting study several years ago noting that, other things being equal, there was less crime in neighborhoods that had higher number of recent immigrants.  The thesis was that recent immigrants, IIRC, sorta hang out on the street more and are nosier.  ie, they're on the stoop watching, and if something is out of place they're on it.

        •  Uh, hang on (7+ / 0-)

          There's a big difference between being an alert, aware member of the community and stalking people who aren't engaging in anything illegal.  

          re: approaching M: there was a rash of burglaries.  He did exactly what I'd want him to do.
          Seriously, is that something we want our neighbors doing?  Arming themselves and following law abiding citizens around?

          "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -Gandhi

          by Triscula on Sun May 26, 2013 at 05:46:03 AM PDT

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          •  Frankly, manslaughter is the LEAST Z should get (5+ / 0-)
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            HE provoked the situation by getting out of his damn truck - which he was told by the police dispatcher he did not have to do.

            Following, stalking, and use of deadly force left him open to a charge of Murder One - which the state elected not to pursue, opting instead for Murder Two, which has a lower threshold of proof.

            In any sane world, the most his attorneys would be hoping for is to have him found guilty of the lesser charge of manslaughter.

            This is not a sane world.

            If it's
            Not your body,
            Then it's
            Not your choice
            And it's
            None of your damn business!

            by TheOtherMaven on Sun May 26, 2013 at 07:44:10 AM PDT

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        •  "There was a rash of burglaries" so following (5+ / 0-)

          the first black kid you see walking home makes perfect sense.  And that is "exactly what [you'd] want him to do."  

          Careful Johnny, you're revealing more about yourself than I think you realize.  

    •  Do we really want to live in a society where (0+ / 0-)

      people can be convicted based on past behavior?  I understand what you're saying and I'm frustrated with this case, too.  But look at the broader picture - when you admit evidence of past wrongdoing, juries are far more likely to convict, even when the evidence about this particular case is weak.  That's not a good thing.

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