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  •  Yam Suph means Red Sea (2+ / 0-)
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    RiveroftheWest, quarkstomper
    In other biblical references, yam suph means Red Sea or its arms, the Gulf of Suez and Gulf of Aqaba. In 1 Kings 9:26 we read: "King Solomon also built a fleet of ships at Ezion Geber, which is near Elath on the shore of the Red Sea [yam suph], in the land of Edom." If this were a marshy lake close to Egypt, this would certainly be a strange place for Solomon to build his great fleet. But geographers know Elath is a port at the northernmost end of the Gulf of Aqaba

    Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Incarcerate

    by rktect on Sat Jun 15, 2013 at 12:01:08 PM PDT

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    •  I'm Just a Simple Ninja Cartoonist (3+ / 0-)
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      RiveroftheWest, ramara, JDsg

      Funny.  I was always given to understand that it was the Foolish Bible Literalists who insisted that the Red Sea was the Red Sea and that Wiser, More Learned Men had determined they were wrong.

      But then, I don't have the scholarship to argue intelligently about the identificaton of place names in the Bible, nor to evaluate the arguments you present.  It sounds plausible, and I'll leave it at that.

      As I say, I'm just a simple ninja cartoonist telling a story about a plushy snake puppet.

      Have you considered working this material into a seperate diary?  Granted, the D'var Torah series won't be back to the Book of Exodus for half a year or more, but the outline you present is certainly weighty enough to stand by itself and not tucked away as a digression in a comment thread.

      "All the World's a Stage and Everyone's a Critic." -- Mervyn Alquist

      by quarkstomper on Sat Jun 15, 2013 at 12:48:08 PM PDT

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      •  I have a few in sandbox (2+ / 0-)
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        quarkstomper, RiveroftheWest

        I have been looking at the mentions of the Meshwesh and other of the Nine Bows in the Merneptah stele.

        Its kind of interesting that the Meshwesh were the tribe that raised the Apis bulls but were still seen as Libyans and foreigners and may have been part of the Hyksos coming into Pe Buto from Cyene.

        They seem to have worn a long side curl like orthodox jews and on the Merneptah stele its evident they were in the midst of a famine and raiding cities in the delta to survive. Merneptah fed them and they laid down their arms.

        The tribes and towns mentioned on the stele are all parts of the Nine Bows, Libyans, Hyksos, the Mitanni, Hatti and Assyria, The Sea People to include the Peleset and Tjeker, the Meshwesh, Tjhenu, Kana, Khete, Weshesh, Danoi, Sherden, Sheklesh, Lukka, Tursha and Akawasha.

        Ok thats more than nine but in Egyptian three is plural and nine the plural of plurals.

        On the Merneptah stele of those tribes the ones called out by name to include Hatti and Canaan all were engaged with Egypt in the delta. There is no mention of Ashkelon, Gezer, Yenoam or Israel.

        Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Incarcerate

        by rktect on Sun Jun 16, 2013 at 03:41:50 AM PDT

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