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  •  Spam is bad enough... but how about simple facts? (1+ / 0-)
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    terrybuck

    runningwaterspr wrote (or quoted?):

    "If you're old enough to recall, Raiders Of The Lost Ark opened to incredibly poor reviews...and the early critics ate crow after the initial box office results."

    Hey, running water - I'm old enough to have been in the film business even way back in the dark ages of the early 80's, and that statement is TOTAL bull.  I know it's a waste of time to respond to this dolt, but why in the world would anyone post (or link to) a comment as idiotic as this?  

    In those ancient days, when we got our news and reviews from something called print media, I subscribed to Variety and the Hollywood REporter, the LA and NY Times, and half a dozen magazines.  RotLA received RAVE reviews from almost every film critic out there.  Don't believe me?  Jeez, fella (or felleh), search the tubes.  It's an easy one to check out.

    Raiders wasn't great art, but it was great popular entertainment, and was VERY popular both with the critics and with the public.  Boz's Gatsby?  It got crap reviews because it's a seriously crap movie.  Raiders is still fun 30 years later, and I'd be willing to bet that Gatsby will be used as an example of embarrassingly dated filmmaking in well under a decade.

    If you're going to try to send us to other links and blogs and whatever, don't insult our intelligence by using quotes from them that are instantly recognizable as total nonsense.

    Sorry if I hurt your feelings for being so "rude" to you RW.  But there's reality, and there's whatever world you live in.
     

    •  I too am in film (0+ / 0-)

      And DID see bad reviews...Siskel and Ebert ate crow after the box office. No bullshitting. Variety etc weren't ny sources. Don't get me wrong, I am a total Indiana Jones cult follower, loved it, still do. It's just I too was around then.

      •  I'm curious about your reaction (1+ / 0-)
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        terrybuck

        I'm sure nobody else is following this diary at this point, but I can't let your response to my comment slide by.  Had you used as your example a film like "Bonnie and Clyde," your scenario about critics changing their opinions would have been entirely apt.

        B&C was trashed when it first opened, and soon pulled from theatres.  (Jack Warner hated it even more than the critics, and he jumped at the chance to yank it.)  But then a number of critics reconsidered their views, and showered it with enough praise that it was re-released six months later and had very respectable success. (This whole drama even led to the forced retirement of the film's biggest detractor, the NYT's Bosley Crowther.)

        But Raiders?  Siskel & Ebert??  Bad reviews?  Eating crow?

        Roger Ebert opened his review in the Chicago Sun-Times with:  "Raiders of the Lost Ark is an out-of-body experience, a movie of glorious imagination and breakneck speed that grabs you in the first shot, hurtles you through a series of incredible adventures, and deposits you back in reality two hours later -- breathless, dizzy, wrung-out, and with a silly grin on your face."

        And he only got more enthusiastic from there.  Siskel?  He wrote in the Chicago Tribune:  "An adventure film that plays like an old-time 12-part serial that you see all at once, instead of Saturday-to-Saturday.  It's a modern Thief of Baghdad.  It's the kind of movie that first got you excited about movies when you were a kid."

        It ended up #3 on Siskel's top ten list that year, and #4 on Ebert's.

        Look, I'm not trying to pick on you, but I had friends who worked on it, so I paid a lot of attention to the reviews when it came out.  The only bad one I remember was from Pauline Kael.  I apologize for riding you about it, and for the less than friendly tone of my earlier comment.  I guess I was just annoyed that you were pressing such a demonstrably incorrect analysis of an exceedingly uncontroversial moment in the history of film criticism.

        (I still love Raiders, too.)
         

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