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  •  I recall you describing yourself as an anarcho- (0+ / 0-)

    syndicalist some time ago, so you making the distinction between liberal and progressive is a bit disingenuous, no?  

    After all, liberals generally see the state as a means to achieve the end of more social programs within a capitalistic economic system, though perhaps not as far as true socialism, whereas you (if you still hold the same views--it's been a few years) reject the existence of the state as well as capitalism.

    To be free and just depends on us. Victor Hugo.

    by dizzydean on Mon May 27, 2013 at 07:53:31 PM PDT

    •  I don't recall any such self-description. (2+ / 0-)
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      At any rate, here is my "distinction" between liberal and progressive.  From the diary:

      Now, the idea of calling liberals "progressives," if I recall correctly, started out in the late 1980s as a result of the senior Bush's campaign against "the L word."  The idea, then, was to identify liberals with the promoters of what was once called the "Progressive movement" during what was once called the "Progressive Era" (fundamentally, from 1890 to 1920).
      In other words, I'm not making any distinction at all.

      "The problem with the Left isn’t that it’s too austere and serious; it’s that it doesn’t take itself seriously enough to make the changes necessary for political practice." -Bhaskar Sunkara

      by Cassiodorus on Mon May 27, 2013 at 07:57:38 PM PDT

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      •  That took a while, but here it is (0+ / 0-)

        http://www.dailykos.com/...

        Some sort of small-scale anarcho-syndicalism (5+ / 0-)

        might be the best thing at this time -- the anarchists are not waiting for permission or for someone to tell them what to do or for the rules to change, which gives them a distinct advantage over everyone else.  

        Otherwise I think that if we had any sort of chance to bring about what Hugo Chavez and the PSUV have done in Venezuela, that we should do that -- but I don't see how or when or where any chance like that is going to show up in the world.

        "In any event, it is safe to assume that the ends of capitalism will be as unprecedented as everything else about it has been." -- Gopal Balakrishnan

        by Cassiodorus on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 06:27:15 PM PDT

        To be free and just depends on us. Victor Hugo.

        by dizzydean on Mon May 27, 2013 at 08:50:35 PM PDT

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    •  No. (1+ / 0-)
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      That would be me.

      And we're not just funny guys ranting about being repressed in a Monty Python movie.

      The core principle is collective action by small groups.

      •  From Wikipedia- (0+ / 0-)
        "Political rights do not originate in parliaments; they are, rather, forced upon parliaments from without. And even their enactment into law has for a long time been no guarantee of their security. Just as the employers always try to nullify every concession they had made to labor as soon as opportunity offered, as soon as any signs of weakness were observable in the workers' organizations, so governments also are always inclined to restrict or to abrogate completely rights and freedoms that have been achieved if they imagine that the people will put up no resistance. Even in those countries where such things as freedom of the press, right of assembly, right of combination, and the like have long existed, governments are constantly trying to restrict those rights or to reinterpret them by juridical hair-splitting. Political rights do not exist because they have been legally set down on a piece of paper, but only when they have become the ingrown habit of a people, and when any attempt to impair them will meet with the violent resistance of the populace . Where this is not the case, there is no help in any parliamentary Opposition or any Platonic appeals to the constitution."

        — Rudolf Rocker, Anarcho-Syndicalism: Theory & Practice, 1947

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