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  •  I think I understand where you'd like the (2+ / 0-)
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    discussion to go - and I hope I do because I very much agree with the need for a dramatic change in tactics.  However, it  seems your objection to using the term "progressive" relates to the fact that it doesn't match the use or ultimate effect of the term a century ago.  At that time the progressives had not yet achieved the goals we're trying to protect today, but were instead working toward those goals.  Similarly, today we realize there is a set of goals we need to work toward as progressives.  Do you feel that we need a different collective term because our goals are different, or, can we keep using the term progressive, but realign it to a different set of goals?

    Finally, I want to tell you I really enjoyed reading your diary, and couldn't agree more that a change in goals, and the sort of people we need to lead us, is very much needed.  Another decade of the same-o, same-o will sink us!  I've started thinking that I should switch to voting for the most bat-shit insane Republicans to try to hasten the fail - while there is still an Eco-system to save.

    -7.38, -5.38 (that's a surprise)

    Why must we struggle to protect the accomplishments of Democrats of the past from Democrats of the present? -- cal2010

    by 84thProblem on Mon May 27, 2013 at 08:32:45 PM PDT

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    •  Although, if I was presented with a candidate that (3+ / 0-)
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      I though actually reflected what I consider to be progressive / liberal / democratic values and the will to govern that way, I'd still vote for them.

      Of course, that's what I thought I was doing in 2008 ...

      -7.38, -5.38 (that's a surprise)

      Why must we struggle to protect the accomplishments of Democrats of the past from Democrats of the present? -- cal2010

      by 84thProblem on Mon May 27, 2013 at 08:38:30 PM PDT

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      Do you feel that we need a different collective term because our goals are different, or, can we keep using the term progressive, but realign it to a different set of goals?
      I don't see how the term "progressive" is going to retain much of its original meaning if we were to use it to describe people who were, for instance, socialists.  I think that our goals need to be different now because, fundamentally, the capitalist system is in a far different position now than the position it had at the beginning of the Progressive Era.

      "The problem with the Left isn’t that it’s too austere and serious; it’s that it doesn’t take itself seriously enough to make the changes necessary for political practice." -Bhaskar Sunkara

      by Cassiodorus on Mon May 27, 2013 at 09:08:11 PM PDT

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