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  •  This would be more interesting (0+ / 0-)

    If it was not in the form of "here are a bunch of accusations against half the population of the United States which the accused denies and which I can't be bothered to substantiate even once". If that's what I wanted to read I could get that 24/7 over at InfoWars.

    If you are going to toss out something that is the semantic equivalent of "Jews sacrifice Christian children in horrible Qabbalic ceremonies", the least you could do is actually provide some proof. Or you could do some more unsupported ranting. Go with whichever one you think is the best way to promote liberal values.

    In this case, since the accusation is leveled not at an extreme or a minority or just legislators, but against all conservatives and all libertarians across the entire spectrum,

    Libertarians and Conservatives will never admit this is what they favor
    you need to show that these five points are the norm from moderate Republicans all the way out to the Westboro types.

    For instance, for almost everyone reading this, your grandparents are by your standards, “conservative”. Do your grandparents believe in dictatorship in the US and child prostitution? If not, then hopefully you did not toss anything in the tip jar.

    I'd bet a rigorous scientific test of their ability to empathize would find them pathologically deficient.
    I think this diary is a good data point towards the hypothesis that this problem extends into the liberal part of the political spectrum as well. But at least the diarist didn't take reasonable statements, isolate them from all context and extrapolate them until the results bear no resemblance to reality...
    •  It doesn't matter what my grandparents believe (3+ / 0-)

      Market forces have neither heart nor soul.  If a transaction is not forbidden, and someone can profit by it, then a market will be created. If people are allowed to sell themselves or ther children into slavery, and someone can profit by it, then it will happen.

      Moreover, if a class of people arises whose livelihood depends on such a trade, then that class will have an incentive to promote it by lobbying for laws that encourage its growth.

      There is no "freedom" in human society; there are only fulcrums (fulcra?) where my rights and the rights of my neighbors balance. These fulcrums are artificial and established by community consensus, i.e. by law; otherwise, the strongest and least scrupulous individual would trample all others underfoot. That is how libertarianism leads to tyranny.

      Spock was a socialist; the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.

      •  Take the shortcut (0+ / 0-)

        "the needs [?] of the many outweigh the needs of the few" is surely the most dogmatic and insane justification for larceny, rape & murder ever ..
        i presume you claim cannibalism is a good idea then?
        such is the conservative, regressive & religious mind of the "progressive"  
        So your idea is to just go straight to tyranny, bypassing liberty?
        A ligula magis ineptias   .. from stupidity, more such

    •  If you disagree with my points, then disagree. (5+ / 0-)

      But playing denial games ("Prove humans cause global warming!") is something everyone here has seen play out too many times to be deceived by it.  The things I'm saying jibe with people's experiences - the things you're saying, don't.

      In this case, since the accusation is leveled not at an extreme or a minority or just legislators, but against all conservatives and all libertarians across the entire spectrum, ...you need to show that these five points are the norm from moderate Republicans all the way out to the Westboro types.
      On the contrary, when dozens of people look up at the sky and see it blue and someone says "The sky is blue," it's kind of up to the person who denies it to argue why other people's eyes deceive them.  Please explain to me how the corrupt, nihilistic propertarian ideology we see all around us is not what we see, and is in fact a whole ecosystem of sincere thought that merely by coincidence consistently ends up promoting identical criminal policies.

      Process defines product.

      by Troubadour on Mon May 27, 2013 at 06:29:42 AM PDT

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      •  Ice Ages (0+ / 0-)

        funny how 45 million centuries of the planet's warming & cooling without human causation is the best proof against the religious dogma known as anthropogenic global warming .. Yet climate change history deniers are still clueless

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