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    heavily colored by a nation under foreign occupation for 8 centuries during which all its traditional music evolved. Americans are over 10 generations removed from occupation and have been a global superpower for most of living memory.

    National identity is also strongly influenced by the ethnic mix, and ours includes everyone whereas the Celtic lands are far less diverse. When the people are or had long been very homogenous, when their power structure is or had long been dominated by foreigners, a very strong sense of community arises naturally. And that is reflected in all their arts, including music.

    The ruling aliens in these countries also instilled very derogatory views of indigenous culture from language to dress to food and music and other entertainment, compared to the culture of the occupiers.

    Tom Baker as Dr. Who, to kilted assistant: [angrily] +/- "Get that heathen garment off!" If you don't have Celtic influenced sensibilities you might've missed that little gem.

    One other thing, for Scotland and especially Ireland, music and musicmaking have been core to people's individual and family activity since forever. That's not true for many of the ethnicities that make up America though it definitely is for some, especially Blacks. And it hasn't been true for Americans in general for at least a century. We more listen to music than make it.

    So you're going to get musical intensity out of Celts and Gaeldom relating to their countries that we don't get from Americans. Our Blacks have strong musical traditions but their nation was their enemy until well under a lifetime ago, so there isn't a large body of Black patriotic music. Much of it's the opposite: "We Will Overcome" [verb changed by Pete Seeger to "shall."

    I've been a Celtic tradder all my life. Celtic Thunder's not in my sphere but I've had personal contact with certain of them, also with members of quite a few well known more traditional bands. In a small world you can find yourself playing elbow to elbow with some of your idols.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Mon May 27, 2013 at 07:35:12 PM PDT

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