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  •  Their world is fading away (20+ / 0-)

    Ours is ascendant. They're going to have to get used to it, or spend the rest of their lives in even bitterer isolation.

    As unfair as gender norms for girls remain, I actually think gender norms for boys are even worse because they are much more narrow. The hate comments you cite are good examples.

    Men aren't supposed to be caring, sensitive or thoughtful. I guess they're just supposed to scratch their balls and punch someone.

    •  Boys (7+ / 0-)

      I've been thinking all day about boys. My son has Down syndrome (I've written about him before too a few times), so we're dealing with a different set of issues there.

      Just thinking out loud here - the issues for boys are more narrow, which is a problem. But they also occur in the context of patriarchy, so they do push boys to dominant positions. Assuming that dominance and success are things people want, this doesn't come off to me as necessarily worse than the broad, but enabling weakness, forces pushing on girls.

      But I'll have to think about it.

    •  Which explains the vitriol. (8+ / 0-)
      Their world is fading away
      They think they are defending a better world against those who would destroy their beloved stereotypes, and they don't realize their comments exemplify why such a world is not worth defending.
      gender norms for boys are even worse because they are much more narrow
      I've been saying words similar to this since the late sixties.  In many ways the word "feminism" is a misnomer: it should actually be called "humanism" in the sense of working for the abolition of the shackles of gender-based stereotypes and the freeing of all people to blossom as they will.

      AFAIC feminism has never been about denegrating traditional women's work, and it's depiction as such  completely misses the point that traditional female roles, if chosen, should be an actual choice, for both women and men.

      "War is not the answer, for only love can conquer hate." ~ Al Cleveland & Marvin Gaye (1970)

      by JBL55 on Tue May 28, 2013 at 01:59:13 PM PDT

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      •  Could not agree more: (8+ / 0-)

        When we speak of feminism, it is picked up by the conservative clowns as promoting women over and above men, or diminishing men - - something that threatens them but is not even true.

        It's not about men! I am a 5 year old girl's daddy and my only focus for her is to emphasize that the world is open to her, that her sex means only what she will determine it to mean and not let anything else convince her differently.

        It is a hard road to toe. She loves the Disney princesses, the are ubiquitous, I could fight it - and lose - or I can allow it, but play with her and her dolls a lot which gives me the opportunity to say, "I like Belle b/c she loves books and loves reading" or "I like Rapunzel b/c she wanted to get out and see the world for herself"  - - so I take what could be a negative influence (the princess) and use it as an opportunity to teach what I want her to learn is important. It is working, so far as I can tell.

        It's hard. There is no "right" answer, but simply being aware of the pitfalls, that reaffirmation of her "inner being" and not making it about how females "relate" to males at all seems to be the key.

        Blessed are the peacemakers, the poor, the meek and the sick. Message to Repug Fundies: "DO you really wonder "what would Jesus do?" I didn't think so.

        by 4CasandChlo on Tue May 28, 2013 at 02:18:05 PM PDT

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    •  I'm not so sure about the fading away part. (4+ / 0-)
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      Women's reproductive rights are under attack in all quarters, and the strides women made in the 70's and 80's have been pushed back way too far.  Jasmine has supplanted Amelia Earhart.

      Facts don't stop being facts just because no one listens to them. - Aldous Huxley

      by bisleybum on Tue May 28, 2013 at 03:05:12 PM PDT

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