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  •  It transports. That's it. (0+ / 0-)

    I don't care what you call whatever it transports; for greenhouse gases, the XL pipeline is not creating them like coal burning plants.  

    As for concerns over spills, nobody is really asserting that the tar sands aren't going to be mined by the Canadians, or the pipeline isn't going to be redirected to the Canadian pacific coast, and it's not like conventional oil is being removed and transported in an error free way either.   Therefore the useful approach would be to build the best pipeline one can, and curtail the demand for petrocarbons.  

    "We're now in one of those periods when the reality of intense pressure on the middle class diverges from long-held assumptions of how the American bargain should work" --James Fallows

    by Inland on Thu May 30, 2013 at 12:32:57 PM PDT

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    •  Extracting the tar sands by strip mining (6+ / 0-)

      the boreal forest (a carbon sink) or by in situ steam extraction - both have a huge carbon cost. Then burning the dirty tar sands oil has more carbon cost than conventional oil. This affects the atmosphere. Green house gases are global, climate change is global.

      BTW the Canadians alone are not mining it. 71% of the extraction is by foreign owned companies. Canada imported over 200,000 guest workers in 2012 mostly for the tar sands.

      Every major oil company in the world is involved in the tar sands extraction. This is a global enterprise with global consequences.

      To thine ownself be true

      by Agathena on Thu May 30, 2013 at 03:09:47 PM PDT

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