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  •  Not relevant. (9+ / 0-)

    The point is not the severity of the crackdown. The point is that the OWS protesters had just as much right to peaceably assemble—more so, if the Constitution means anything to you, which I guess it doesn't when Obama must be defended at all costs.

    Obama is the Chickenshit-in-Chief for failing to stand up to Republicans on all their phony scandals, from the "beer summit," to Van Jones, "death panels," Shirley Sherrod, contraception, Benghazi, and the IRS.

    by expatjourno on Sun Jun 02, 2013 at 12:56:50 AM PDT

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    •  Yeah, stinks like "Obama defense" to me, too. (1+ / 0-)
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      Look, I'm not happy with the heavy-handed tactics used to uphold corporate property rights at the expense of freedom of assembly. But to claim that issues of scale are somehow irrelevant is just preposterous. Protestors and rebels in Turkey, Egypt, Syria and Iran are literally risking their lives in a very conscious way. Yes there were some examples of police abuse and horrible injuries when OWS was at it's height. None of that compares to systematic government policies concerning state weaponry turned on civilians with the mandates coming from the top levels of the state power structure. I'm glad the State Department attempted to show solidarity with the people in Turkey, all charges of "hypocrisy" notwithstanding. What the fuck else were they supposed to say?

      •  I have to agree with you adn Velvet here (0+ / 0-)

        Not to minimize the OWS issues or the courage of the folks who went out on the US streets, but from what I'm hearing from friends in Turkey, this is very, very different.

        And much worse for the protestors.

        •  Moreover (0+ / 0-)

          State Department statement seems to have led to a DIRECT withdrawal of police forces... so that's a good thing right? Even for hypocrites?

          "We are concerned about the number of people who were injured when police dispersed protesters in Istanbul's Gezi Park," U.S. State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said Saturday. "We believe that Turkey's long-term stability, security and prosperity is best guaranteed by upholding the fundamental freedoms of expression, assembly and association, which is what it seems these individuals were doing."

          After early Saturday morning clashes throughout the city center, riot police withdrew from Istanbul's central Taksim Square, allowing more than 100,000 to peacefully demonstrate throughout the afternoon.

      •  You insist on changing the subject. (4+ / 0-)

        The issue is not the relative courage of the protesters or the level of injuries. The issue is the violent suppression of free speech and freedom of assembly by the state.

        The fact that more OWS protesters did not get killed or seriously injured is not relevant to the issue of whether the U.S. is in any position to lecture Turkey about freedom of speech and freedom of assembly.

        As for this:

        None of that compares to systematic government policies concerning state weaponry turned on civilians with the mandates coming from the top levels of the state power structure.
        You are wrong. Just wrong on the facts. The DHS coordinated the attacks on the OWS protesters. The links to all that are in previous comments. So state weaponry was, in fact, turned on protesters in the U.S., "with the mandates coming from the top levels of the state power structure."

        Obama is the Chickenshit-in-Chief for failing to stand up to Republicans on all their phony scandals, from the "beer summit," to Van Jones, "death panels," Shirley Sherrod, contraception, Benghazi, and the IRS.

        by expatjourno on Sun Jun 02, 2013 at 06:51:58 AM PDT

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