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  •  There is a reason that DOJ was investigating (16+ / 0-)

    Seattle Police Department:

    [December 2011]

    A federal civil-rights investigation into the Seattle Police Department has found routine and widespread use of excessive force by officers, and city and police officials were told at a stormy Thursday night meeting that they must fix the problems or face a federal lawsuit, according to two sources.

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    The sources confirmed the city will get a chance to work with the Justice Department to address the issues, or it will face a federal lawsuit that could result in fines, penalties and even the appointment of an outside special master to oversee the Police Department.

    http://seattletimes.com/...

    So SPD is slowly improving because it absolutely HAS to...

    Many of the surrounding community police departments particularly in the south end should also be looked into for their excessive force. It's been out of hand entirely too long..

    © grover


    So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

    by grover on Tue Jun 04, 2013 at 01:33:48 AM PDT

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    •  Wasn't Seattle where a cop murdered some poor guy (12+ / 0-)

      walking down the street with a knife carving a block of wood? This was around a year or so ago.  

      I think the cop skated... if not he got off fairly light IIRC.

      And yes, I said murdered.

      "Now this is speculation but it's educated speculation because I think that's what happened." -- Bill O'Reilly, May 2013

      by here4tehbeer on Tue Jun 04, 2013 at 03:23:07 AM PDT

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      •  The police department found the shooting (4+ / 0-)

        Unjustified. The inquest Jury was not as convinced:

        The decision not to file criminal charges comes about a month after a King County inquest jury reached mixed findings on the shooting. Four of eight jurors found that Birk wasn't facing an imminent threat when he fatally shot Williams, and that he didn't give Williams sufficient time to put down a knife he was carrying during their confrontation on a Seattle sidewalk.
        http://seattletimes.com/...

        The problem is that for the outrage these shooting cause, citizens want their cops to have wide latitude to protect them.

        The inquest jury process is overseen by the county coroner. The current process was put in place by Ron Sims. http://www.kingcounty.gov/...

        Seattle has a lot of faults when it comes to its police department. But in how many communities would this be investigated and reviewed in any forum at all?

        Responsibility has to be shouldered by those who are responsible.  If 50% of inquest jurors say the cop was under grave threat, the prosecutors do have some obligation to consider whether to use massive public resources trying a case that it looks like they likely won't win.

        And finally:

        Seattle police Officer Ian Birk bowed Wednesday to what appeared to be his certain firing, resigning hours after department brass released a scathing report of his fatal shooting of woodcarver John T. Williams.
        He quit before they could fire him.  

        © grover


        So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

        by grover on Tue Jun 04, 2013 at 02:16:24 PM PDT

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        •  Ok - thanks for that followup. I was having a bit (2+ / 0-)
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          of a time trying to dig that up for some reason -- I remember Meteor Blades did something on it a few months back (maybe when the initial verdict came down) but I couldn't find that either.

          And sure, I realize that people want / expect protection, but I'd also like to know that if I'm riding my bike down the sidewalk and I don't immediately respond to a cop saying something, the followup question won't be an EMT asking what my goddamn blood type is (if I'm lucky).

          "Now this is speculation but it's educated speculation because I think that's what happened." -- Bill O'Reilly, May 2013

          by here4tehbeer on Tue Jun 04, 2013 at 02:28:15 PM PDT

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          •  Yeah. I agree with you. (3+ / 0-)
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            But our fellow citizens aren't us. And they sit on juries too. They also vote for elected office like sheriff (which for all the hand-wringing around here about how law enforcement shouldn't be elected, I think I strongly prefer that to political appointees where someone's buddy becomes sheriff without any experience because they went to high school together.)

            I dunno.  Citizens need to decide what they want.  

            This situation is out of control. But there ARE good politicians trying to put processes in place to ensure LEOs don't just "skate by."

            Ultimately, though, it's up to us, the citizenry.

            © grover


            So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

            by grover on Tue Jun 04, 2013 at 04:16:30 PM PDT

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            •  But the only way citizens will change this... (1+ / 0-)
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              ... is by restructuring these departments from the top down and getting actual commanders in place that require much better training and supervision.  It's pretty clear that the second pair of cops in the video above rushed into a situation that was manageable (even by the first set of yellers) and completely blew it up by acting without thinking.  That's how people get dead.

              Get your shit together, Bloomberg. Your "army" is completely out of control.

              "Now this is speculation but it's educated speculation because I think that's what happened." -- Bill O'Reilly, May 2013

              by here4tehbeer on Wed Jun 05, 2013 at 02:39:07 AM PDT

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