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  •  Actually you won't get agreement (1+ / 0-)
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    futurebird

    Especially on this - "The Consumer should always be Informed and Educated when making his or her Decision"

    While on a broad scale, yes, more information is better, a number of science and skeptical organizations would object to labeling food as GMO.  They contend that GMO is no different than the selective breeding that has been going on in crops for thousands of years. They would contend that labeling food "GMO" is no better than labeling food "Hybrid" or "Intensively bred".

    I dont' agree with them, because I think there are safeties inherent in the slower hybridization programs that aren't there in GMO work (how would an apple ever evolve a fish gene even with selective breeding?) and that GMO's should be tested for safety, but I have these arguments with rational peopel I otherwise agree with on most issues.

    "Don't be defeatist, dear. It's very middle class." - Violet Crawley

    by nightsweat on Wed Jun 05, 2013 at 07:07:24 AM PDT

    •  What makes you think it is dangerous? (2+ / 0-)
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      mikidee, Roadbed Guy

      Real question. The more I read the less worried I am and the less I want labeling.

      •  It skips the vetting evolution provides (1+ / 0-)
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        We know, for example, that there exist instruction on how to make the flu virus more deadly.
        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/...

        Superdeadly viruses that evolve to kill burn out when they kill all their hosts before they can spread. There's a limiter built in to their evolution. If you kill off your hosts or outbreed your food, you die.

        I'm concerned GMO traits that super-advantage a crop have not been subject to those same pressures and natural controls and that in the field they may cause unintended consequences.  We're not great at thinking through a problem when there's a buck to be had.

         I also know there have been studies showing a rise in allergic reactions to certain crops that have been heavily GMO'd and studies refuting those studies and studies refuting those refutations, etc...  The speed with which GMO crops take over an industry means there's often little non-GMO food to contrast and compare with to determine if it's the modified crop that causes the allergy or if it's some other factor.

        Now, I know there are GMO projects underway to, for instance, create peanut crops completely devoid of any allergenic protein.  I think that's great and I encourage it. I'd like to know if it's in my food, though so i can make the call. I have two kids, one of whom is allergic to nuts, peanuts, and eggs, and the other is younger than the age when the other started expressing allergies.

        I'm not anti-GMO. There's a lot of benefit to be had.  I'm also not blankly pro-GMO, because there's a lot of stupid in business that expresses itself far too often.  I'd like to see GMO's advance but with informed consumers and appropriate scientific testing in place.

        "Don't be defeatist, dear. It's very middle class." - Violet Crawley

        by nightsweat on Wed Jun 05, 2013 at 11:25:06 AM PDT

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        •  allergies (1+ / 0-)
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          You could do a study with sunflower seeds and if I were a test subject I'd die. There is no labeling requirement since my allergy just isn't that common.

          Someone calculated that it'd just cost too much money to save the lives of sunflower allergy sufferers. And I think this is reasonable. I had to go on hormones for weeks due to this issue since the reaction won't always stop --ugh. The anti-allergy hormones REALLY make you gain weight. (clinically proven in human trails)

          That we would have much much much more expensive labels for an issue that can't even show one case of a person or animal reacting as violently as I do to sunflower seeds is really frustrating to watch.

          In a dose of irony sunflower oil use is on the rise because people fear transfats and also soybeans. Often it is not mentioned at all on the ingredients at all. It's mixed with other veggies oils.

          The fear of soybeans is often because... get this... they are a big GMO crop!

        •  Those aren't really instructions on how (0+ / 0-)

          to make the flu virus more deadly - it was a study testing if and how the virus could achieve the ability to become airborne (and infectious via that route).

          Having this knowledge in advance just seems to make good sense compared to being surprised and unprepared when confronted with this form of virus arising from natural sources.

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