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  •  I care... (1+ / 0-)
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    because that's not information that you have.  

    You don't really know whether this was a specific part of the law or whether they are giving that power to the schools, which would more than likely make that a specific policy.

    Which is pretty much an exact equivilency.  

    You don't know the letter of the law so you assume the worst to make a politcal point.

    We will without a doubt have our own version of Alex Jones soon.

    Who ya gonna shoot wit dat homie, you'd rather blast an original instead of a phony, true macaroni, you don't even know me, and why does your gun say n****z only?

    by mim5677 on Wed Jun 05, 2013 at 07:07:40 AM PDT

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    •  Public school teachers require a background check (2+ / 0-)
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      to be certifed to teach in Wisconsin. Public school teachers are also required to have specific and rather thorough classes in the field of education and recommendations obtained through practial experience during interships and tearcher-assistant work.

      The propesed bill eliminates the education-specific courses, practical experience, state certification, and (wait for it) background checks.

      In this context, striking out the words "background check" to create aq whole new class of "teachers" (based on the original public school laws) is critially important. How stupid would it be to actually write the words "no background check" in a proposed bill? This is how these fascists have written these things forever. Just strike out what you don't like. Bingo. No background checks for private, voucher-supported, schools. The vouchers are funded directly by public school taxpayer funds.

      There are maybe 100 ALEC-written education "reform" bills floating around. Some have already become law in Wisconsin. I haven't located the exact boilerplate bill that's the source of this cut-and-paste travesty.

      The primary sponsor of several of these ALEC-written disasters in WI is/was Roberta Darling, btw. She, and others, are rabid advocates of school prayer, no sex education, creationism, and worse.

      These idiots don't have the skills to comprehend what's in these cut-and-paste bills. They just assume they're good bills. The ALEC environment included many, many, meetings and large multi-state meetings of legislators and lobbyists and lawyers and self-proclaimed education experts and religeous fundamentalists and anti-communists and corrupt money-launderers and blatent racists and rabid kill-the-gay fundamentalists and ... Oh, wait. All this is true.

      There are no qualified and educated teachers who would agree to teach creationism in a science class, for example. So they must reduce the qualifications so that clomplete idiots will be allowed to teach this nonsense. Sex offenders? Well, they didn't think about that little loophole.

      Maybe they'll offer an amendment that requires a check of the sex-offender list. No background checks, though. That would be fun. They'd be admitting that sex-offenders would have been ok.

      This shit is likely to pass in WI, though. The majority and the corrupt state supreme court will make it happen.


      (this kind of crap wears me out)

      "Never wrestle with a pig: you get dirty and the pig enjoys it"

      by GrumpyOldGeek on Wed Jun 05, 2013 at 10:38:24 AM PDT

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      •  Pardon if I don't take your word for it... (0+ / 0-)

        point me to the nearest place where I can read it.

        Who ya gonna shoot wit dat homie, you'd rather blast an original instead of a phony, true macaroni, you don't even know me, and why does your gun say n****z only?

        by mim5677 on Wed Jun 05, 2013 at 11:24:23 AM PDT

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        •  It's buried in the WI state budget (2+ / 0-)
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          If you want the original text and the state's independent review and summary, you'll need to scour the WI state legislation web site. The budget bill is carved into several bills and hidden behind joint resolutions and such. The web site is here. The list of acts that have become law (current status) is here. The state has a pretty good search capability. You can find Assembly and Senate bills and everything else easily. Choose your subject of interest.

          If you want to understand what the details of the voucher system are and how they relate to provisions that nearly eliminate accountablility, transparancy, and flexibility while granting extraordinary authority to appointed private school board members, start here.

          Here are some interesting excerpts from the lengthy analysis at the previous link. It accurately describes the key ideas passed in the 2012-13 Budget Act.

          Implications of Creating a Charter School Board

          While many Wisconsinites are aware of the proposed expansion of voucher schools in Wisconsin, the same cannot be said of plans to further privatize education in our state by creating a Charter School Oversight Board (CSOB), which would be attached to Wisconsin's Department of Public Instruction (DPI), but ultimately act independently.
          Under Governor Walker's budget, school boards could convert all of the public schools within the district to charter schools. Further, should the area school board opt to convert all schools into charter schools, all students in the district could be forced to attend them. Likewise, parents and teachers in the district would have no say about the decision. Being forced to attend charter schools created under this plan rather than a traditional school or a charter school run under the guidance of DPI should be concerning to parents for several reasons. Not only will the Board creating these charter schools be controlled by a one-party majority, but it will also face little public scrutiny, can opt to ignore the local school board, and will have sole discretion over the charter school's budget, curriculum, and personnel policies and decisions.....

          This is the money quote that points out the near-elimination of teacher qualifications
          One such personnel policy granted is that DPI [Deptartment of Public Instruction - the state public school authority] will be required to grant a charter school teaching license to any person who has a bachelor's degree and demonstrates that he or she is proficient in the subject they intend to teach. The individual need not have had any teaching experience or experience with kids in general. Once they are granted a license, it is valid for three years and may be renewed.
          The missing words, those found in the public school teacher requirements are; background check.

          Most of us who have been following the travesty that the right wing has imposed during just over 2 years of their overreach were once just as skeptical, maybe more so, as you. I get that. Really. It's natural and normal for all rational people to disbelieve that this kind of nonsense could possibly be happening. We all thought that nobody could possibly try to enact laws that were this radical and destructive.

          Then the 2011-12 so-called Budget Repair Bill was introduced. We slowed the process, but it eventually got signed into law. So the wingers changed the law to make it easier for them to ram things through.

          For example, the public is notified of acts passed by the legislature the day AFTER it's enacted, not before and not with any time period for public input. DOn't believe it? Here's the amended law (pdf), because, you know, it was inconvenient to have to have the corrupt state supreme court get involved. The had to ignore all precedents and established law to override this little speed bump. No more 24 hour publication before enactment. Poof.

          I've learned a lot and my skepicism has been pretty much eliminated.

          Wisconsin isn't alone with all this overreach. Even the citizen referendum that overturned the "financial emergency" authority in Michigan only slowed them down. They passed it again, only this time with budget provisions so that a cictezen referendum can't overturn this anti-democratic fascism. So goes Michigan. Wisconsin, too.

          So by all means, read everything you can find. You will overcome the natural denial and understand this this shit is for real. There are many, many, savvy watchdog organizations that you can easily find using the Google Machine.

          CogDis, one of the above links, is one of them that seems to be consistently accurate. Even the far right newspapers have good information once in a while. It's so bad that the papers have actually pushed back a little. That didn't happen just two years ago. Dan Bice of the Journal Sentinel is one of the best. And one of the ONLY genuine journalists that still exists in Wisconsin.

          "Never wrestle with a pig: you get dirty and the pig enjoys it"

          by GrumpyOldGeek on Wed Jun 05, 2013 at 12:54:35 PM PDT

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          •  Saying the GOP is allowing sex offenders to teach (0+ / 0-)

            is a lie at worst and intentionally misleading at best, if you do the slightest amount of research.  

            The current form to obtain a teaching license in the state of Wisconsin has no less then 5 questions related to criminal conduct.  Not only that but the current form explicitly states that the issuance of a license depends primarily on passing a background check.  Not to mention that the form has to be notarized.  

            I would at least need to see the section of 118.19 section 4, where the background check portion is taken out.  

            One can say what they will about not liking charter schools but to suggest somehow that the GOP desire to bring down the public school system is greater than the need to protect their own children in many cases from being taught by sex offenders is a bridge too far for me.  

            Not only does the current form dive deep in to background check issues but the DPI website is pretty clear about the qualifications and background check policy.

            Who ya gonna shoot wit dat homie, you'd rather blast an original instead of a phony, true macaroni, you don't even know me, and why does your gun say n****z only?

            by mim5677 on Wed Jun 05, 2013 at 07:43:06 PM PDT

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            •  You are looking only at public school licenses (0+ / 0-)

              The 2013-14 Budget bill does not change the requirements for the public or private school teaching license. Background checks and additional recurrent educator certification is required.

              The 2013-14 budget bill changes and replaces some interesting requirements for charter schools, choice schools, and virtual charter schools.

              Well, here's the whole 1000+ page WI 2013-14 budget bill. I said it wasn't easy to find all the pieces, and it isn't. The budget documentation is a collection of documents produced by several departments. The WI Legislative Reference Bureau (LRB) has the most recent documents. This is where you can navigate to the LRB's collection of every  document related to the budget. They provide the text of individual components of the larger bill as well.

              This isthe current text of the charter school teaching license requirements. It hasn't been merged into the final text of the state statutes yet, so it's not labeled as the final version. I've provided the identical text four times now. Two are direct links to the official state records.

              Background check does not appear in this provision of the budget bill.

              It only shows up in the licensing provisions for public and private schools. Not for charter schools.

              I suppose I could repeat this a few more times.

              If you just can't bring yourself to believe that registered sex offenders are very likely to move from state to state and seek employment under an alias using fake id, you will eventually change your mind. I've run across three different individuals who have done just that. One of them stalked and sexually assalted my wife. He had prior felony convictions in two other states and was a registered sex offender in both. We went through the whole jury trial ordeal and put the creep iin jail again. Now he's a registered sex offender in three states. Maybe a fourth by now. Ours was his third conviction. He's now serving time for a fifth conviction. He's also the older brother of a prominent state legislator. A right wing nut job legislator as you might have predicted.

              You really don't want to keep denying that these creeps won't slither into your town. They almost have to. Nobody will employ a sex offender. Put yourself in their place. The can't work unless they break the law. The registered sex offender concept just plain doesn't work. The unintended consquences are awful.

              If the state doesn't mandate a thorough background check, and  Wisconsin doesn't for charter schools, then a sex offender will eventually show up and apply, perhaps get, a job in a school.

              Yeah. That Virtual Charter School crap is just that. Online Internet based virtual classrooms operated by anonymous private for-profit corporations, funded by diverting public school taxpayer money to out-of-state (or even foreign countries) entities,

              The budget bill also eliminates the requirement that teachers live in Wisconsin or their school districts. Virtual school teachers, if you can call them teachers, don't even need to stay in the classroom while online material is being show. Gee, I wonder how that's gonna work out....

              ALEC has the stated goal of eliminating public education everywhere. Check out the Heritage Foundation. Cato. AFP, Freedom Foundation. Any of the right wing propaganda machines. Every one of them screams "free market" and "education reform". That's an alias for privatization.

              "Never wrestle with a pig: you get dirty and the pig enjoys it"

              by GrumpyOldGeek on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 12:28:09 AM PDT

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      •  So, you, the person calling (0+ / 0-)

        these people idiots, thinks that taxpayer funded schools are going to eliminate background checks because it's in the bill.  I would like to see the text as I am having trouble finding it online.

        How little sense does it make that they would not do background checks?

        Who ya gonna shoot wit dat homie, you'd rather blast an original instead of a phony, true macaroni, you don't even know me, and why does your gun say n****z only?

        by mim5677 on Wed Jun 05, 2013 at 12:12:50 PM PDT

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    •  No, we DO know. We know it was not a specific (2+ / 0-)
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      part of the law.  We also know it is a result of the law of which they're aware - and THEY DON'T CARE.

      There is NO equivilency.  Death panels DO NOT EXIST.  The result of this law, which they're aware of, DOES EXIST.  No equivilency.  None.  Except the typical false equivilency you insist on retaining.

      "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

      by gustynpip on Wed Jun 05, 2013 at 11:01:06 AM PDT

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      •  Neither does the possibility that a sex offender (0+ / 0-)

        could teach in a Wisconsin school exist.  It is an exact equivalency.

        The results of the law do not allow sex offenders to teach period.  It's stupid to argue otherwise, if you do I am calling you stupid.

        Who ya gonna shoot wit dat homie, you'd rather blast an original instead of a phony, true macaroni, you don't even know me, and why does your gun say n****z only?

        by mim5677 on Wed Jun 05, 2013 at 07:45:05 PM PDT

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        •  Hard to Believe . . . but True (1+ / 0-)
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          There is no requirement that the teachers or other personnel at these voucher schools be licensed or certified by the state.  

          Hard to believe.  But that's what we are dealing with here.

          These are NOT "charter schools" we're talking about.  These are "homeschools" that could involve the children of more than one family.  These are "storefront academies" that some enterprising individual whips up.

          Wisconsin has long had a laissez-faire approach to education: private schools have never had to file their curricula with the state (as is usually done elsewhere).

          Sure, for the sake of your argument, maybe the storefront school will do background checks.  But, in the case I cited elsewhere in this thread it didn't matter:  the principal already knew he was a sex offender.

          Equally plausible is that the school believes in the redemptive power of Jesus Christ.  It is illegal for a public school district to employ such a person, but that matter is up to the owners of the storefront school.

          This might be hard for you to accept, but one state has to be the worst when it comes to the war on public education.  

          Wisconsin is that state.

        •  You can call me anything you want; you'd (0+ / 0-)

          still be wrong.

          "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

          by gustynpip on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 10:15:35 AM PDT

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