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  •  You do understand the Stete Dept. isn't the CIA (9+ / 0-)

    right?

    Diplomatic cables classified at the lowest level ("secret") don't contain identities of covert operatives.  At worst the contain some names of people who talked to diplomatic personnel.

    “What’s the use of having developed a science well enough to make predictions if, in the end, all we’re willing to do is stand around and wait for them to come true?” - Sherwood Rowland

    by jrooth on Wed Jun 05, 2013 at 01:38:10 PM PDT

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    •  You forgot about the NSA, sir. (1+ / 0-)
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      An oft forgotten alphabet agency who really keeps the bumps in the night from happening and who most definitely uses diplomatic cables and pouches for the exact reason you are saying the CIA does not.

      Just a friendly FYI.

      Texas is Texas, you know. The second you think you got it figured out, it will switch on you. Just ask Rick Perry in 2012.

      by Patience John on Wed Jun 05, 2013 at 01:47:17 PM PDT

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      •  What??? (10+ / 0-)

        You think the NSA transmits sensitive information via State Department cables?  That they wouldn't be aware or concerned about the fact those communications would then be freely available to over five million people with clearance for SIPRNET?

        Hilarious.

        “What’s the use of having developed a science well enough to make predictions if, in the end, all we’re willing to do is stand around and wait for them to come true?” - Sherwood Rowland

        by jrooth on Wed Jun 05, 2013 at 01:51:09 PM PDT

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        •  Good day sir. (0+ / 0-)

          I do not argue with people who argue for argument's sake and have no basis for their argument.

          And yes, this happens.

          http://www.stratpost.com/...

          National Security Adviser (NSA) Shivshankar Menon had capitulated to Home Minister Palaniappan Chidambaram on intelligence issues soon after taking over his post, a diplomatic cable leaked by whistleblower site WikiLeaks says.

          Please educate yourself on the issue at hand before accuse others of being ignorant.

          And again, GOOD DAY, sir.

          Texas is Texas, you know. The second you think you got it figured out, it will switch on you. Just ask Rick Perry in 2012.

          by Patience John on Wed Jun 05, 2013 at 02:25:01 PM PDT

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          •  ::facepalm:: (6+ / 0-)

            NSA Shivshankar Menon isn't the National Security Agency.

            So good day to you too.  I don't bother trying to discuss things with anyone incapable of distinguishing the National Security Adviser of West Bengal from the United States National Security Agency.

            “What’s the use of having developed a science well enough to make predictions if, in the end, all we’re willing to do is stand around and wait for them to come true?” - Sherwood Rowland

            by jrooth on Wed Jun 05, 2013 at 03:17:52 PM PDT

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            •  The cable was our's, but keep digging! (0+ / 0-)

              I am sorry you feel the need to justify the exposure of embedded agents for your own self-righteousness.  You are right though, NSA counterparts to other national NSA agents never gather intelligence on each other.

              Never.

              Get your cloak because your dagger is pointed at your own heart.

              http://www.theregister.co.uk/...

              In their private online conversations, Manning, who had Top Secret security clearance, told Lamo that he spent more than a year sifting through material on classified government networks containing "incredible things, awful things". He was reportedly reassured that Wikileaks could protect his identity by its release of the 9/11 pager message archive, which he recognised as coming from inside the NSA, the most secure of the US intelligence agencies.
              From Manning's lips to your ears.

              If you want to call Manning liar, we may continue this discussion.

              Texas is Texas, you know. The second you think you got it figured out, it will switch on you. Just ask Rick Perry in 2012.

              by Patience John on Wed Jun 05, 2013 at 03:44:21 PM PDT

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              •  Yes, the cable was ours ubt it had nothing to do (2+ / 0-)
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                with the NSA.  It was written by a low-level US diplomat in India about a low-level Indian official who happened to have the title "NSA".

                I think you're sorely mistaken about which one of us is digging here.

                If you seriously believe that the National Security Agency sends sensitive information via State Department cables which they know will be classified at the very lowest level and freely available for over five million people to read then you really are delusional.

                “What’s the use of having developed a science well enough to make predictions if, in the end, all we’re willing to do is stand around and wait for them to come true?” - Sherwood Rowland

                by jrooth on Wed Jun 05, 2013 at 03:53:47 PM PDT

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                •  "you really are delusional." (0+ / 0-)

                  Ah, the Ad hominem gambit, the last stand of one who cannot stand on facts. If you cannot accept the fact that very party involved agrees with my statement, then you are actually also involved in a bit of projection as well.

                  Thanks for making my day. And have a good one yourself sir.

                  Texas is Texas, you know. The second you think you got it figured out, it will switch on you. Just ask Rick Perry in 2012.

                  by Patience John on Wed Jun 05, 2013 at 04:00:01 PM PDT

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                  •  You missed the "if" part of that sentence (0+ / 0-)

                    apparently.

                    Have you figured out that NSA Shivshankar Menon isn't the National Security Agency yet?  Have you managed to comprehend that Manning did not leak the 9/11 pager message archive?  Are you even aware that while he did have top secret clearance, nothing Manning leaked was classified top secret?

                    “What’s the use of having developed a science well enough to make predictions if, in the end, all we’re willing to do is stand around and wait for them to come true?” - Sherwood Rowland

                    by jrooth on Thu Jun 06, 2013 at 05:28:47 AM PDT

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              •  As for your quote from the Register ... (1+ / 0-)
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                You understand that the 9/11 pager message archive wasn't leaked by Manning, don't you?

                He saw it on Wikileaks, and was reassured that they could protect his identity by the fact that they had protected the identity of whomever it was who leaked that.

                “What’s the use of having developed a science well enough to make predictions if, in the end, all we’re willing to do is stand around and wait for them to come true?” - Sherwood Rowland

                by jrooth on Wed Jun 05, 2013 at 03:56:40 PM PDT

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            •  There should be some sort of DKos Salvador (4+ / 0-)
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              Dali (or maybe Pirandello) award for deft handling of absurd posts.

              If so, I'd surely nominate your too-polite response for said award :)

              Well done.

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