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  •  As far as that goes... (2+ / 0-)
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    lehman scott, Diane Gee

    ...One, who is "us?" If "us" is mankind, you're correct. But then, nothing, absolutely nothing will prevent the "biblical-scale" natural catastrophes, famines, and worst and the most important thing, diminishing potable water.

    Without potable water, there is nothing. Prove me wrong.

    There is already concern growing in the Tibetan Plateau that the glaciers are diminishing so quickly and the water melted increasing each year, Himalaya Tsunami are a growing concern.

    But think about what happens when the primary water source to feed about half of the world's population dries up? Five great rivers rise there. China, India, Pakistan... they will probably exchange nukes over the remainig supplies.

    Game over.

    "Wealthy the Spirit which knows its own flight. Stealthy the Hunter who slays his own fright. Blessed is the Traveler who journeys the length of the Light."

    by CanisMaximus on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 05:48:27 PM PDT

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    •  The picture is indeed quite grim (3+ / 0-)

      when one contemplates the options for Asia as the seemingly inexorable march towards the disappearance of their water sources accelerates...

      Pessimism of the intellect; optimism of the will. - - Antonio Gramsci

      by lehman scott on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 06:10:51 PM PDT

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      •  I tell everybody. (6+ / 0-)

        I give the same advice in every comment I make about the environment.

        Nothing else matters at this point more than present and future supplies of potable water.

        Nothing. Prove me wrong.

        Because no country on earth is actually making any meaningful change towards reducing co2 and other "greenhouse gasses."  Entire aquifers upon which most of our agriculture from the midwest to the southwest depends is going bye-bye. If mankind fell off the face of the planet tonight, the temperature would continue to rise for at least 50 years.

        Station your genetic legacy in a place where there will be potable water for at least the next fifty years. The possibility for agriculture woulkd be second consideration. But again, without consistent availability of potable water, you can have the best soil in the world, but....

        "Wealthy the Spirit which knows its own flight. Stealthy the Hunter who slays his own fright. Blessed is the Traveler who journeys the length of the Light."

        by CanisMaximus on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 06:26:43 PM PDT

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        •  and all our forecasts were too (2+ / 0-)
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          conservative...it is coming much quicker than even the best pundits foresaw

          An idea is not responsible for who happens to be carrying it at the moment. It stands or falls on its own merits.

          by don mikulecky on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 06:30:02 PM PDT

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          •  Oh HELL yes... (4+ / 0-)

            ...I get the sense you're as old as I am, hence we have been voices in the wilderness since the 70's.

            It's appalling how we have betrayed the planet, but especially ourselves. We're done, I feel. Down to a few million in pockets of wealth in 200 years.

            Talk about your different paradigm.

            Until then, the political shifts, nationalism, ambition, and that old standby greed will ensure our destruction down to, say, 25 million world wide and not likely to change due to radiation and climate.

            I'm being generous with that assessment.

            "Wealthy the Spirit which knows its own flight. Stealthy the Hunter who slays his own fright. Blessed is the Traveler who journeys the length of the Light."

            by CanisMaximus on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 06:43:59 PM PDT

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        •  lol Forgive the... (1+ / 0-)
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          lehman scott

          ....overly-redundant profligate periphrastic last sentence...

          Yet another unfinished thought....

          "Wealthy the Spirit which knows its own flight. Stealthy the Hunter who slays his own fright. Blessed is the Traveler who journeys the length of the Light."

          by CanisMaximus on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 06:35:52 PM PDT

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        •  where would you suggest stationing our (0+ / 0-)

          genetic legacy? any predictions of where the remaining potable water will be?

          •  I've been living in Alaska for 33 years. (2+ / 0-)
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            don mikulecky, UnaSpenser

            I've bought my daughter and her two girls a house. It's on a well. (not great water, but...) Alaska is predicted to become temperate and existing agriculture will move from root vegetables, cabbages, barley, etc (cold-tolerant crops) to more grains and animal husbandry.

            This will probably happen in the next fifty years. The remaining glaciers will melt, but we will one of the few places on earth which will have seasonal rains by dint of location and geography. The Alaska range may even keep it's galciers.

            But if you can get them into Canada -do it! The U.S. is about to become a very mean place. Even Alaska.  Canadiens will be willing to absorb the best and brighter of us, at least at first.

            Good luck.

            "Wealthy the Spirit which knows its own flight. Stealthy the Hunter who slays his own fright. Blessed is the Traveler who journeys the length of the Light."

            by CanisMaximus on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 07:37:26 PM PDT

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            •  This is sensible thinking....n/t (0+ / 0-)

              An idea is not responsible for who happens to be carrying it at the moment. It stands or falls on its own merits.

              by don mikulecky on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 07:47:56 PM PDT

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            •  I had been thinking very north Maine, at minimum. (1+ / 0-)
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              don mikulecky

              It does seem that those of us on this side of the equator need to move northward.

            •  ooops...you need to look at this (0+ / 0-)

              Is a sleeping climate giant stirring in the Arctic?

              "Some of the methane and carbon dioxide concentrations we've measured have been large, and we're seeing very different patterns from what models suggest," Miller said. "We saw large, regional-scale episodic bursts of higher-than-normal carbon dioxide and methane in interior Alaska and across the North Slope during the spring thaw, and they lasted until after the fall refreeze. To cite another example, in July 2012 we saw methane levels over swamps in the Innoko Wilderness that were 650 parts per billion higher than normal background levels. That's similar to what you might find in a large city."

              An idea is not responsible for who happens to be carrying it at the moment. It stands or falls on its own merits.

              by don mikulecky on Thu Jun 13, 2013 at 07:56:55 PM PDT

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