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  •  Zooming past Hyperbole into Made Up Stuff. (1+ / 0-)
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    sebastianguy99

    Seriously, a search pursuant to warrant that reveals the contents of Verizon's records implicates "fundamental civil rights"?

    We were just getting over the teabaggers claming that everything that they don't like is a violation of the constitution, and now the left puts all the rest of the shit on stilts.

    "We're now in one of those periods when the reality of intense pressure on the middle class diverges from long-held assumptions of how the American bargain should work" --James Fallows

    by Inland on Fri Jun 07, 2013 at 08:48:18 AM PDT

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    •  You clearly don't understand the extent (3+ / 0-)
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      YucatanMan, 4kedtongue, deep info

      of what telephony metadata includes. That also means text messages. And the contents of Verizon's records means every single phone call that goes over any infrastructure they own. Cell towers, fiber, copper, wireless uplink, satellite, everything. They're looking at the phone records of virtually everyone. Dismissing this as hyperbole is absurd. This is the broadest collection of data that we are aware of. What has to happen for you to have a problem with this?

      Not to mention the fact that the NSA almost certainly looked at my phone records because of my political activity. But I mean, fuck me, I'm probably a terrorist, what do I know about freedom.

      We were just getting over the teabaggers claming that everything that they don't like is a violation of the constitution, and now the left puts all the rest of the shit on stilts.
      And people like you blithely prattle on about how nothing this administration does is bad at all.

      If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

      by AoT on Fri Jun 07, 2013 at 09:54:14 AM PDT

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    •  A warrant is supposed to apply to specific (6+ / 0-)

      persons or people and only for specific reasons and given specific testimony under oath.

      A wholesale "give us all you got on every last customer" is specifically what the Fourth Amendment prohibits:

      The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
      "Particularly" means specific.  

      All these data gathering actions are blatantly unconstitutional.

      "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

      by YucatanMan on Fri Jun 07, 2013 at 10:31:48 AM PDT

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