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  •  This point I have made many times to various (3+ / 0-)

    left leaning individuals and they scoff at me and tell me that we should be trying to get rid of all things that create victims at any price, so I honestly dont think the left is ready to have this conversation. I am being honest. But something they should remember while they are championing to reduce victims is there will always need to be a force forever growing to combat bad things happening, even if there is one victim. EVEN IF we drop to zero victims the strongarming will grow because the argument will be the negative evidence for ever more oppressive methods to get there.

    What I also dont think the left realizes is how are we going to square growing government that is there to help people with this? The whole argument breaks down to me. Unless the Patriot Act is struck down, you cannot argue that government is there to help (while they spy on you and compile data). They arent compatible to me.

    •  Absolutely true. (3+ / 0-)
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      The Patriot Act is the original slippery slope for Democracy and it needs to go.

      The question is do we have the courage to talk about what that means?  Are we willing to be less "safe" and more private?  Can Progressives sell this outside the blogoshpere?  Do we have good enough arguments to take to the public?  We can't count on the media, we know that, so how do we get the word out?  

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      by I love OCD on Fri Jun 07, 2013 at 10:57:15 AM PDT

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      •  I am willing to be more private and less safe. (6+ / 0-)

        I do not accept that that risks this nation becoming a theocracy or that it means I would no longer have the right to choose whether or not to reproduce (which is a moot point anyway, at my age), or that it means I risk being raped and beaten in my home again.

        I do not accept that living with less safety means living in fear, fear-mongering media and politicians or no. I believe it means living with more caution. I don't think the government, even now, has the power or the will to stop a rapist from raping and beating me in my home again, though it certainly has both will and power to apprehend him afterward. I believe the one entity with the will and power to stop a rapist is his would-be victim. I have chosen to do so with a firearm. That is why it is here, because I will never go through that again.

        That's not fear, that's caution. Caution also includes never letting people except women I know into my house when my husband isn't at home, because the man who raped and beat me in my home was a friend of my then-boyfriend and lived across the street. It includes having at least one good-sized dog, and preferably more, dogs who love me and have never been trained with fear or to protect me (mine get trained to help a hunter hunt game birds) but who may well act as dogs do, and who serve as a deterrant just by living here and being in the house. Even the only one we have left at this moment, who is twelve, is still a deterrant just by being a good-sized dog.

        I don't even want to live in safety, illusory or real, if it means living in total exposure to anyone and anything and being deemed a terrorist (like all of OWS) for exercising my First Amendment rights. And btw, my firearm isn't to protect me against the government; it's to protect me against what happened to me once already.

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        Why are war casualty counts "American troops" and "others" but never "human beings"?

        by Kitsap River on Fri Jun 07, 2013 at 12:42:52 PM PDT

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