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  •  That, according to climate scientist Jim Hansen... (2+ / 0-)
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    ...saved lives.

    Prevented Mortality and Greenhouse Gas Emissions from Historical and Projected Nuclear Powe

    It's pretty funny how many people who can't name a single person ever killed by San Onofre's operations couldn't give a rat's ass about the stuff that will replace the plant, and no, it isn't the expensive, toxic and useless solar industry, nor the unsustainable wind industry.

    It's pretty funny here when people who don't know how things work complain about climate change and fracking.

    Congratulations to the fearful and the ignorant on this tragedy of shutting a major piece of climate change gas free infrastructure.

    Heckuva job.

    It rains on - or bakes - the guilty and the innocent alike, but it's beyond question that humanity will get what it deserves.

    Have a nice weekend.

    •  You are making assumptions about (9+ / 0-)

      people here you've never met. You have no idea what expertise is hiding behind the screen name.
      Be civil or be gone.

      If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

      by CwV on Sat Jun 08, 2013 at 11:23:33 AM PDT

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      •  Is this something new? Making assumptions... (3+ / 0-)
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        Olkate, alain2112, onanthebarbarian

        ...about people that one hasn't met?

        Tell me all about it.

        I can't tell you the number of times during my tenure here, in the 399 diaries I wrote before I gave up, that people made assumptions about me and my motivations.

        Apparently there are many people here who assume, without any justification beyond perhaps their own mentality, that no one can do anything except for money.

        The form of address I often encountered while writing here in what proved to be a losing cause was, um, "nuclear shill."

        I have always asserted that my passion for nuclear energy was about something called "ethics" and nothing else, but such declarations have never mattered.

        In any case, my personal interactions here are not the source of my bitterness; my personal issues are trivial, since I don't matter.   The source of my bitterness is pretty much the same as Jim Hansen's, the destruction of the atmosphere for future generations, the fact that I have to face my sons at the dawn of their adult lives with the knowledge - I read the Environmental primary scientific literature obsessively, like a doomed man studying the electric chair - of the condition of planet my generation is handing them.

        As for you...It's true that I don't know you...and I don't care about you specifically but I do know something about the class of anti-nukes in general, believe-you-me.

        I wasn't making a specific assumption about anyone in particular, I was merely making an assertion - which I stand by - about the entire class of people who hate, out of fear and ignorance, the form of energy developed and promoted by, among others, Nobel Laureates on the order of Glenn Seaborg, Enrico Fermi, Eugene Wigner, Hans Bethe.

        Seaborg, in particular, probably one of the two greatest chemists this country ever produced, educator, diplomat, personal friend of both John Kennedy and Nikita Khruschev, adviser to eight presidents, President of the American Chemical Society, Chancellor of the University of California, Nobel Laureate, Discoverer or Co-discoverer of more elements of the periodic table than any other human being, discoverer of a major concept in chemical periodicity and Chairman of the Atomic Energy Commission oversaw and directed the construction of more than 70 of the 100 nuclear reactors in this country, including the reactors being destroyed by fear and ignorance at San Onofre.

        Look here:   According to the World Health Organization, 3.3 million people die each year from air pollution.  Half of them are under the age of five, and as a former resident of Los Angeles and San Diego, I can assert with assurance that some of those dead lived in California.

        Three point three million per year means that during the nearly six decades of history of the nuclear industry, more people died from air pollution than died from all causes in World War II.    It also means about one person dies every 9 or 10 seconds, more than six per minute, 377 per hour, 9000 every day.

        If you would like to assert that in the sixty year history of commercial nuclear energy on this planet that it was responsible for as many deaths as will be caused in the next two days from nuclear energy - and spare me the links to the circle jerk of anti-nukes citing one another, and use the primary scientific literature to do so - I invite you to use your "expertise" to do so.

        I really don't know what your point about "expertise" is - although my general experience of this website suggests to me at least that the general level of scientific expertise here is pretty low - but the cheering here for shutting nuclear plants that exist and preventing new ones from being built is in my mind - and I think as an obvious corollary to his cited paper, in Hansen's mind as well - is cheering for death and destruction.    In general I judge the level of people's expertise by what they say, and not by what they tell me they are.

        I will say this as well, reiterating my remarks at the opening of this comment, that much of the whining I hear here is hypocritical.

        Have a swell weekend.

        Your pal,

        "Nuclear Shill," NNadir.

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