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    "it was Gorbachev's basic humanity and his willingness to allow the police state you refer to to be challenged,..... "

    Gorbachev only belatedly developed a sense of "humanity" after the U.S. government (Congress, the Reagan administration and previous administrations as well) made it crystal clear that they (Soviets) could NOT win the arms race.

    That's not just my assessment. That is the assessment of many scholars who lived through that era and who were well informed and who had a good long term historical view of how and why the Soviet Union fell apart.

    Do you really think that the Soviet Union would have withered away when it did if the U.S. and NATO had not maintained a strong military alliance, including highly sophisticated American miltary aircraft and large amounts of conventional weapons and a huge nuclear arsenal deterrent ?

    Reagan played a role in that ........... but so did Thatcher. So did a lot of people.

    The Russians gave up their dream of communizing the world ONLY when they saw that they could not acheive that goal ..........  militarily.

    Then, ...... we stated hearing words from the Russians like "glasnost" and "perestroika".

    But I  don't believe we would have heard those words in the 1980's without a tough NATO and American response to the Soviet arms buildup during the Cold War.

    The Soviets showed, time and time again, that all they really respected was force.

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    by Paniolo Joe on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 02:04:08 AM PDT

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    •  that must be why (1+ / 0-)
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      The Soviet response to the strikes of Solidarnosc was exactly the same as their response as the Czech Spring, then.

      I'll never forget the Soviet tank running over Lech Walesa like that, and then the bloody massacre in the square....oh, wait. Wrong communists. We made that dictatorship a Most Favored Nation.

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      by kamarvt on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 05:00:14 AM PDT

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    •  I don't deny (0+ / 0-)

      that military alliances around Western Europe, and longstanding American willingness to arm themselves and their allies to the teeth--also long before Reagan--played a role in keeping the Soviets in some kind of check and balance on the world stage.  

      But the Soviet Union did not fall because of Reagan's willingness--eagerness--to show belligerence.  That's more myth than Realpolitik.  

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      The Soviets showed, time and time again, that all they really respected was force.
      Seems to me the same is true for a large faction of Americans.  Including and especially those who perpetuate the myth that it was primarily Reagan who "won" the Cold War by rattling the sabers in his greatest role as Mr. Tough Guy.

      "If a man loses his reverence for any part of life, he will lose his reverence for all of life." — Albert Schweitzer

      by mozartssister on Sun Jun 09, 2013 at 08:08:29 AM PDT

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