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  •  Is that really the only choice? (8+ / 0-)

    Accept, without question, secret intrusions on our privacy by our own government, or give everything to Al Qaeda?

    This is a subject worth talking about rationally and publicly, and the leaks to the press make that possible.

    Snowden might have broken a law, but I wouldn't call him a traitor, as some are saying. Have any specific, national security level secrets been revealed? Is anyone REALLY surprised that this kind of data collection is 1)possible, and 2)being practiced?

    Why can't the public know about it and how it works? If there's no harm intended to our constitutional rights, we have a right to know the program exists and what the constitutional safeguards might be.

    "I've had all I can stands, and I can't stands no more." - Popeye the Sailor Man

    by congenitalefty on Mon Jun 10, 2013 at 07:35:28 AM PDT

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    •  how would the public be informed? (0+ / 0-)

      without also informing alQaeda and other enemies.

      But Snowden the Traitor has already done that.

      "Tax cuts for the 1% create jobs." -- Republicans, HAHAHA - in China

      by MartyM on Mon Jun 10, 2013 at 07:43:08 AM PDT

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      •  Nonsense. (4+ / 0-)
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        Wow the drivel-spouting troops are out in large numbers this morning.

        Send your old shoes to the new George W. Bush library.

        by maxschell on Mon Jun 10, 2013 at 08:46:08 AM PDT

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      •  You really know how to not pay attention (5+ / 0-)
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        to what you read.

        I repeat my question: have specific secrets been revealed?

        I think it's naive to assume Al Qaeda or any credible enemies of the US don't realize they're being minutely scrutinized in every imaginable way.

        So far, all Snowden has told us is that the NSA is at least potentially scrutinizing EVERYONE, including innocent US citizens.

        I'd think our enemies would be amused at our apparent willingness to sacrifice our privacy for our supposed security.

        "I've had all I can stands, and I can't stands no more." - Popeye the Sailor Man

        by congenitalefty on Mon Jun 10, 2013 at 09:28:21 AM PDT

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        •  He's destroyed national security AND yawn, nothing (1+ / 0-)
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          to see here.

          Wow, the privacy-surrenderers are spinning reverse 360s, in both directions, at the same time.

          It is painful to watch.

          The GOP says you have to have an ID to vote, but $ Millionaire donors should remain anonymous?

          by JVolvo on Mon Jun 10, 2013 at 02:47:38 PM PDT

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