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  •  Not working so great in Idaho (6+ / 0-)
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    it seems the communication between ranchers/advocates is in need of improvement - how to balance wolf population with the needs of the ranchers & their sheep when one side won't consider any other alternatives is difficult. I have compassion & admiration for the family linked in the following Mountain Express article, but I also know political connections matter. It bothers me that the ranch is open ranging their sheep and then asking & receiving kill orders when there are predators - and it seems not willing to consider any of the options put forth to protect their livelihood. Makes it seem like creating a reason to get a kill order is the real goal.
    Great diary.
    http://www.mtexpress.com/...

    Organizing is what you do before you do something, so that when you do it, it is not all mixed up. A. A. Milne

    by hulibow on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 12:04:23 PM PDT

    •  Wolves that attack livestock have never been (7+ / 0-)

      protected and the ranchers get compensated for their losses. But with the new state management ranchers will be able to shoot on sight any wolf, whether it's after their stock or not.

      Lifting the Federal protection is a death sentence to any wolves outside of protected areas like Yellowstone National Park.

      To thine ownself be true

      by Agathena on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 12:47:26 PM PDT

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      •  I just don't thing this part is true (0+ / 0-)
        Lifting the Federal protection is a death sentence to any wolves outside of protected areas like Yellowstone National Park.
        The three original states in the NRM have very strict rules that stop far short of re listing let alone extirpation. Other states such as OR and WA have their own very strict listings. I think it would be impossible to extirpate wolves under any circumstances today in the lower 48, or that's what the experts say. Without poison that is.

        How big is your personal carbon footprint?

        by ban nock on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 02:06:20 PM PDT

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    •  So the ranger is doing open rang lambing and (4+ / 0-)
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      wondering why it attracts wolves. He does it to socialize his lambs?

      I agree, he should be doing shed lambing instead. He should get more and better dogs too. If his dogs can't scare off the wolves, they can sure sound the alarm when wolves come near.

      To thine ownself be true

      by Agathena on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 12:55:47 PM PDT

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      •  I'll be honest I don't understand (3+ / 0-)
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        it very much...from the article and knowing the history it seems like they are setting their sheep up to live/give birth in open range with no protection & then going to F&G/Idaho Wildlife and getting kill permits. Some solutions have been offered but rejected or so it seems - also read they have received a fortune in payments. I really like the contributions they have made to NPR over the years in the form of stories about ranching Idaho, but this is starting to overshadow my good feelings.

        Organizing is what you do before you do something, so that when you do it, it is not all mixed up. A. A. Milne

        by hulibow on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 01:14:36 PM PDT

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