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  •  Did you call this 'wiretapping'? (1+ / 0-)
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    Wiretapping is not the same as collecting data.  Your post says:  "Director of National Intelligence James Clapper has had some explaining to do now that the NSA wiretapping program has been exposed and declassified and totally admitted to by no less than President Obama."

    Obama has 'admitted to' wiretapping?  To my knowledge, he did not.  Where is a link?

    Snowden has made extraordinary charges, some of which are already debunked (see changes by the WP to its article -- there is no 'direct access' to IPs).  Why are you taking Snowden's word with no evidence?  Extraordinary claims require at least some level of proof, don't they?

    I really thought Kos was a reality-based critical thinking site, and yet this is on the front page.  Just wow.

    You might want to read Al Franken on this:  “I’m on the Judiciary committee and the Judiciary committee has jurisdiction (over) N.S.A. and on (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act) and the Patriot Act,” he said. “I availed myself of these briefings so nothing surprised me and the architecture of these programs I was very well aware of.”

    “I think there should be enough transparency that the American people understand what is happening…But I can assure you that this isn’t about spying on the American people.”

    So now it's "stuff Snowden and Greenwald said" versus Al Franken, among others.

    I'd expect Kos to at least present all the facts.  Or is the argument here simply that loyalty to a group of outspoken Kos members trumps facts and reality?

    I'm in the camp of "we need more information" about Snowden's "material".  I also am a backer of complete repeal of the Patriot Act.  

    Yes, the Obama administration has done things that I don't agree with, but I'm not on board with the automatic support of Snowden and acceptance of everything he has claimed.

    •  who to believe (0+ / 0-)

      I'm in the camp of "we need more information" about Snowden's "material".  I also am a backer of complete repeal of the Patriot Act.  

      Well Obama also told us that in 2007.  Not only did he not support repeal but signed into law this new policy to collect information on every phone call inside the US.  Given his deceptions on this issue so far, right now I am more inclined  to believe Glenn Greenwald.

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