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  •  But it's much more than this (4+ / 0-)
    While it may not be quite the threat to democracy that some think it is
    First, obviously it is a threat to Democracy. In the "better oversight" scenario, for instance, a good bit of secret and blackmailable information will still keep Congressional mouths shut.

    But pretend for a moment that is not a worry.

    We're still left with some unknown number of unscrupulous strangers who can figure out quite easily when your children are home alone; when your home is empty; what the passwords to all your banking assets are; what secrets you'd rather your family and associates didn't know...

    In short, the canvas for just plain old crime is wide open.

    So apart from the "democracy/tyranny" issues we've got the fact that every single person in America has been vulnerable to criminals.

    And if you think criminals can't get top secret clearances and access, you've forgotten that a DHS bigwig was found with child porn on his computer and the convicted criminal Bernie Kerick was almost head of DHS.

    Ending the Stalker State, both the business and government arms, has to end, period.

    Dragnetting the people in the end, instead of doing sound criminal investigation based on sound work, can only work evil on the nation as a whole and the people in it.


    Actual Democrats is the surest, quickest, route to More Democrats

    by Jim P on Mon Jun 10, 2013 at 01:43:51 PM PDT

    •  "Now that we know the truth!" Uh, huh...it... (3+ / 0-)
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      Jim P, gulfgal98, Mr Robert

      ...would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic. And, I'm talking in generalities; not particularly about this post. But, we just finished hearing flat-out bullshit response--yes, flat-out lies and misdirection, and deception by omission--from our nation's leaders for the past SIX WEEKS, as they rationalized persecution of the fourth estate.

      Now, due to matters beyond the propagandists' control, everyone turns on a dime and....and....and....wait for it...reacts to the situation as if now, all of the sudden, everyone's "coming clean" in D.C. and throughout our security state.

      Does public response get any more dumbed-down than this?

      I mean, honestly? Does anyone really think, "Now that we're being told 'the truth' we may respond to it in a sane and rational manner?"

      Are people that naive? Do folks really believe the public knows all of the salient facts regarding the extent of America's surveillance state?

      Are we that fucking dumbed down these days?

      Just the DAY before the last revelations (at the very end of last week), we were told by our President that the government isn't snooping in our personal information. And, literally hours later, we learn that--INDEED--all call records of all U.S. citizens are available to our government. (And, that's STILL just the fucking tip of the iceberg.)

      We're STILL being played. The government hasn't come within light years of being honest with the public. They're acknowledging whatever they're forced to acknowledge. And, if "we" know anymore, they'll have to kill whomever tells us. (LOL! That's an old sarcastic line. But, nowadays, how far is it, really, from the truth?)

      This is truly SICK: reacting to more government statements, after they've been repeatedly, continually lying to our faces THROUGHOUT this so-called series of revelations.

      So, now the public is supposed to think we know all there is to know!  (Well, our government certainly hopes so!)

      Is the naiveté that ingrained in our society? NOW...as in today...all of the sudeen we're supposed to believe what we're being spoonfed by the MSM and D.C.

      Are you fucking kidding me? If anything, the entire public should be more skeptical than ever. Even the NY Times' editors just stated, on Friday: "The administration has lost all credibility on this issue."

      And, THAT line IS spot-on!

      "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

      by bobswern on Mon Jun 10, 2013 at 02:13:24 PM PDT

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