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  •  Why would anyone give a flying (4+ / 0-)
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    kbman, Oh Mary Oh, mkor7, Meteor Blades

    fuck? "They" have been at this for ten years and haven't stopped or arrested anyone connected with Terrism™ - before or after the act. "They" seem to be more concerned with harassing 80 year old grandmas at TSA check points
    than gathering data.

    See you sonsabitches at NN13! Look for the Netroots Radio Banner and stop by and say hello!

    by winkk on Mon Jun 10, 2013 at 09:35:08 PM PDT

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    •  Elliot Spitzer (4+ / 0-)
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      Whenever this kind of talk comes up, I think about Elliot Spitzer, one of the better checks on banking power we've seen. It was, supposedly, reporting of inordinate cash transactions which got him in trouble, for what was entirely private (if unsavory) activities.

      It was PATRIOT Act kinda stuff. That we were promised would never touch anything but terrorism. I missed entirely where Spitzer had anything to do with terrorism. There is an argument to be made that all of us were harmed by him being removed from his position of authority.

      Mark Twain: It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.

      by Land of Enchantment on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 04:23:14 AM PDT

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      •  I mentioned Spitzer as well in a response to (3+ / 0-)
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        futurebird - a Kossack who refers to us as "privacy nuts" - in a different diary.



        This is the kind of power that secret spying confers, the ability of those in power to steer things their way regardless of what is good policy or appropriate behavior. On a local level it could be a county commissioner who ran on limiting growth and protecting the environment versus a powerful builder. If the builder is politically connected as only money can connect someone, he simply asks his friends for "help with Commissioner Smith." Next thing you know, there's a story in the paper that hints at a potential Smith scandal, and an anonymous letter suggesting that he drop his opposition to XYZ development if he wants his extra-marital affair to remain a secret. Instead of standing up for what he ran on, he chooses to avoid scandal and instead vote against the best interests of his constituents.

        It is believed by many that something similar to this is what happened with Eliot Spitzer - he refused to back down from going after Wall Street criminality and paid the price.

        It is also reported that something similar has been practiced by Rupert Murdoch, using the results of his reporters' spying to extort policy positions from various politicians.

        Free: The Authoritarians - all about those who follow strong leaders.

        by kbman on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 10:03:30 AM PDT

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