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    I was not personally asking for "the Debate" with this post.


    Was just framing "the request for" and the need for one,

    -- by Congress and the Media, I presume.


    I have my thoughts;  But not enough "public facts" to back them up.

    But as I recall, per earlier whiste-blowers:


    The NSA Is Building the Country’s Biggest Spy Center (Watch What You Say)

    by James Bamford, wired.com -- 03.15.12

    [...]
    The software, created by a company called Narus that’s now part of Boeing, is controlled remotely from NSA headquarters at Fort Meade in Maryland and searches US sources for target addresses, locations, countries, and phone numbers, as well as watch-listed names, keywords, and phrases in email. Any communication that arouses suspicion, especially those to or from the million or so people on agency watch lists, are automatically copied or recorded and then transmitted to the NSA.

    The scope of surveillance expands from there, Binney says. Once a name is entered into the Narus database, all phone calls and other communications to and from that person are automatically routed to the NSA’s recorders. “Anybody you want, route to a recorder,” Binney says. “If your number’s in there? Routed and gets recorded.” He adds, “The Narus device allows you to take it all.” And when Bluffdale is completed, whatever is collected will be routed there for storage and analysis.
    [...]

    The NSA also has the ability to eavesdrop on phone calls directly and in real time. According to Adrienne J. Kinne, who worked both before and after 9/11 as a voice interceptor at the NSA facility in Georgia, in the wake of the World Trade Center attacks “basically all rules were thrown out the window, and they would use any excuse to justify a waiver to spy on Americans.” Even journalists calling home from overseas were included. “A lot of time you could tell they were calling their families,” she says, “incredibly intimate, personal conversations.” Kinne found the act of eavesdropping on innocent fellow citizens personally distressing. “It’s almost like going through and finding somebody’s diary,” she says.


    There's "probable cause" in there -- somewhere.

    Just give them time, they'll find it (or manufacture it) -- and "probably" a whole lot more.

    So (Watch What You Say) as that authors warns.

    •  Just to let you know, ... (0+ / 0-)

      ... jamess, there are lots of different tests and standards under the law for all kinds of different situations. Probable cause is not the standard for this situation.

      I have stated the correct test above in my comment.

      I would tip you, but the man took away my tips.

      by Tortmaster on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 04:51:52 PM PDT

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