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  •  The point is you're taking zero responsibility (1+ / 0-)
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    for something you knew about for a long time, and are just reacting to media cues about it.

    Maybe dismantling programs like this was your highest priority in voting for him, but if so you would be in a tiny minority of the electorate - and it remains true that no other decision as a voter would have led to a better outcome except if we'd put a higher priority on the issue in Congressional races.  

    The fact is you're only focusing on this because the media is reporting on it, which is only occurring because there's a Democrat in the White House willing to make public statements about it.  Another President wouldn't have said a damn thing, the media wouldn't have reported a damn thing, and few of the people shrieking about it would be doing so if they weren't feeding off media zeitgeist.  And let's be honest, these whistleblowers wouldn't be coming forward under a Republican, because they would be afraid of a lot worse than prosecution.

    If you insist on being angrier at being made aware of something than you are about the reality of it, you're just asking to be lied to and treated like a child.  And obviously that's what some people are saying they need.  They want to be told when to be outraged, and about what.  We already knew about this program - we just didn't know its name.  Why are you outraged now that the media's telling you to be outraged, and only at the people they're telling you to be outraged at?

    Nothing makes a Republican angrier than a smile on a poor child's face.

    by Troubadour on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 03:29:34 PM PDT

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    •  i'm the one who should be taking responsibility? (0+ / 0-)
      The fact is you're only focusing on this because the media is reporting on it, which is only occurring because there's a Democrat in the White House willing to make public statements about it.
      what? i wasn't aware that Snowden was a Democrat in the White House. he is, after all, the leaker responsible for this story.

      this statement is, at best, nonsensical. yes, we're talking about this story because it appeared in the media. good observation! the only reason we're hearing about this at all is because of Snowden who leaked the story. it sure as hell wasn't anyone in the Obama administration who decided to reveal this to us. yes, they are obviously responding and talking about this story because the cat's out of the bag. fucking duh.

      And let's be honest, these whistleblowers wouldn't be coming forward under a Republican, because they would be afraid of a lot worse than prosecution.
      really? because Obama has a reputation as being so accommodating to leaks? please.
      We already knew about this program - we just didn't know its name.  Why are you outraged now that the media's telling you to be outraged, and only at the people they're telling you to be outraged at?
      you're assuming that i straight up did not care about this issue under GWB. you assume too much, and this is not true. the difference between this issue under GWB and this issue under Obama is (obviously) we actually know some specifics about the issue under Obama, due to this leak. that's why this issue has come up again, because now we, as the public, actually know for sure what's going on here, despite the government's best efforts to keep it a secret. would the outrage be any different if we had found out under GWB? of course not.

      it doesn't matter if this shit happens under our guy or their guy. it's an outrage and it's a shredding of the Constitution. if you think everything will be just fine and dandy when the government (Republican or Democrat) is invoking secret law rubberstamped by secret courts to undertake secret actions against literally everyone in the country, you're a tool.

      just because you're okay with this does not mean that i am obliged to be. yes, there is a fair amount of hyperbole and screeching about being shipped off to concentration camps and it makes me roll my eyes too, but it doesn't detract from the obvious perils of a government that helps itself to unlimited power.

      welcome to the internet, buddy. ground zero for hyperbole. you only made this diary to grandstand and put yourself above the people you perceive to be hysterical. you could have simply made a reply to one of the more blatant offenders and left it at that, but you chose to go the more attention-seeking route.

      it's pathetic.

      Banking on the American people to be able to sort all this out and declare the adult in the room the winner is a very big bet. -Digby

      by Boogalord on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 05:14:05 PM PDT

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      •  Snowden declassified it by leaking in-depth (2+ / 0-)
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        programmatic details, allowing politicians to comment publicly on it.  Which the President did, substantively, instead of trying to quash the controversy as any previous President would have and did in analogous situations.

        it doesn't matter if this shit happens under our guy or their guy.
        Apparently it does matter, hence the sudden emphasis on something that's been ongoing.
        just because you're okay with this does not mean that i am obliged to be.
        Who said I was okay with it?
        if you think everything will be just fine and dandy when the government (Republican or Democrat) is invoking secret law rubberstamped by secret courts to undertake secret actions against literally everyone in the country, you're a tool.
        Where was any of this outrage in the preceding decade?  Where was it hiding?
        you could have simply made a reply to one of the more blatant offenders and left it at that
        In other words, I could have passively allowed raving lunatics to define the debate and contented myself reacting to them instead of offering my own thoughts.  Gee, thanks for that advice.  I think I'll stick with defending the sanity and intelligence of Daily Kos.

        Nothing makes a Republican angrier than a smile on a poor child's face.

        by Troubadour on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 12:34:50 AM PDT

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