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  •  Nate Silver on the politics of the Patriot Act (5+ / 0-)


    It's the Insiders (the Village) against the Outsiders (Tea Party and Progressives).

    Economics is a social *science*. Can we base future economic decisions on math? @AardvarkBlue on Twitter.

    by blue aardvark on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 08:43:33 AM PDT

    •  takeaway paragraph from Silver: (4+ / 0-)
      The poll is a reminder that many Americans do not hold especially firm views on some issues and instead may adapt them depending on which party controls the executive branch. When it comes to domestic surveillance, a considerable number of Democrats seem willing to support actions under President Obama that they deemed unacceptable under George W. Bush, while some Republicans have shifted in the opposite direction.
      Indeed, most of what we are hearing everywhere is just partisan patter.

      The reality is that both parties are enthusiastic supporters of the national security state, and the entire neocon agenda is now bipartisan.

      •  That is NOT the takeaway paragraph (5+ / 0-)

        This is.

        In the case of the Patriot Act vote, the establishment-outsider axis makes nearly as much difference as the liberal-conservative or Democratic-Republican scales. Among the so-called establishment members of the House who voted on the bill, 78 percent voted to extend the Patriot Act, while only 41 percent of the so-called outsiders did, according to DW-Nominate’s classifications.
        Things fall apart because the center holds. Notify Yeats.

        Economics is a social *science*. Can we base future economic decisions on math? @AardvarkBlue on Twitter.

        by blue aardvark on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 08:58:04 AM PDT

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      •  Nope. (0+ / 0-)

        The people, like you, who say that it depends who is doing "it" are rightly rebutted by an examination of the poll data.

        1.Checks and balances. In 2006, Americas were reacting to news that the government had not bothered to obtain court approval prior to tracking calls. Now the government loops in the courts. Democrats might think that judiciary involvement makes all the difference.

        Well, duh.  Something about all three branches of government being on the same page means something.

        "We're now in one of those periods when the reality of intense pressure on the middle class diverges from long-held assumptions of how the American bargain should work" --James Fallows

        by Inland on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 10:19:39 AM PDT

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    •  Pew latest - June 6-9 (2+ / 0-)
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      blue aardvark, PsychoSavannah

      Which is more important?

      Investigate terrorist threats: 62%

      Privacy: 34%


      Also, I can kill you with my brain.

      by Puffin on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 08:53:56 AM PDT

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