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  •  Sorry MB, this makes no sense. (1+ / 0-)
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    If they tell you the government is building a giant data center, show you where it is being built, tell you what is going to be used for, then shame on you if you ignore for any reason.

    I'd even bet the thing has been diaried or commented upon right here at DK.

    The point still remains:this project was made public some time ago and acting as if it is now some secret being revealed is untrue.

    The politicians may be bought, and the system corrupt, but it is our duty to fix these things.

    by sebastianguy99 on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 02:57:53 PM PDT

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    •  The diarist does not claim that it is a newly ... (6+ / 0-)

      ...revealed secret. For example, she quotes Jame Bamford on it from last year.

      As for making "no sense," it wasn't so long ago that some folks were claiming that the NSA doesn't spy on Americans and now some are saying the fact that it does is nothing to be concerned about and we've known it all along. Your comment reminded of that (not that I am saying you were saying either of the two previous things).

      Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 03:07:21 PM PDT

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    •  Quit being willfully obtuse (2+ / 0-)

      we all know that this has been posted in the context of there just being a giant leak about NSA spying. Of course interest in this is going to be piqued after a massive revelation like that. The fact that you are refusing to even admit that there may be a connection is absurd. I mean, come on, you're acting like nothing at all has changed and we haven't been arguing over the NSA spying on Americans for the last four days.

      If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

      by AoT on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 03:53:17 PM PDT

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      •  I said this isn't new and stand by that point. (0+ / 0-)

        You folks can blow smoke about this all you'd like, but I made a simple and true point.

        I still await the plan, or are you folks just going to go about being outraged?

        Laws need to be changed and we cannot get there if people are focused solely on insisting that all must believe in their point of view and no other.

        So are you folks up for this or are you just going to be another round of well rec'd outrage diaries that do nothing to organize an on the ground response? Online petitions, letters to Congress, and nifty protest marches ain't going to get the public to change their minds.

        This is going to take a sustained effort and it needs to start happening now, before there is another huge attack and the opportunity vanishes for a generation.

        The politicians may be bought, and the system corrupt, but it is our duty to fix these things.

        by sebastianguy99 on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 04:15:41 PM PDT

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        •  No one said it was new (0+ / 0-)

          Where was it that anyone said it was new?

          So are you folks up for this or are you just going to be another round of well rec'd outrage diaries that do nothing to organize an on the ground response? Online petitions, letters to Congress, and nifty protest marches ain't going to get the public to change their minds.
          You're right, why don't we work toward electing a president who will promise to end these practices? That would be a good start, right?

          And we have to talk about the extent of this if we're going to do something about it. Unless you think we should just leap into action without a full knowledge of what we're doing.

          And I note that you still don't address the actual issue here. You keep asking why it's getting brought up and you know damn well why it has become pertinent again. Yet you can't even take that tiny step to admit that maybe we should revisit the fact that the NSA is building a giant data center when we've just gotten proof that they are spying on Americans. You just want to tell everyone that they shouldn't be talking about this because we already knew.

          And really, what's your plan? Or do you just want to change the subject again. Because you still haven't even admitted that you think anything is wrong with what the NSA is doing. Your current plan seems to be to come in to a diary and contribute nothing except for replies that don't actually deal with any of the issues involved. Because I really don't see you taking a stance beyond "this isn't new", which honestly isn't a stance.

          If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

          by AoT on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 04:24:10 PM PDT

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          •  If you care there is a diary up now. (0+ / 0-)

            As I said, if action rather than outrage is your aim, then morediaries are needed.

            You will get nowhere if you continue to act as if people who do not agree with you are lesser thans that need to feel your wrath of awesomeness. It might make you feel strong and just, but it really is kind of boring and leads nowhere productive.

            I know your ego demands you have the last word so fire away and I have no doubt that you will keep pretending that the issue here is some personal deficit you have ascribed to me.No need for me to waste my time.

            The politicians may be bought, and the system corrupt, but it is our duty to fix these things.

            by sebastianguy99 on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 05:05:19 PM PDT

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            •  "I know your ego demands you have the last word" (0+ / 0-)

              Right. And you avoided the question completely.

              Thank you for the link to the diary and I am very much interested in taking action on this. I've been interested in action on these issues since my very first protest against DMCA and the issues around that.

              If we're going to bring the security state under any kind of control then dismissing people who just came to realize this was an important issue is not going to help.

              If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

              by AoT on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 05:22:59 PM PDT

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        •  Who fucking cares that it's not new? (0+ / 0-)

          Who came up with this talking point? It's even more vapid than the one about how TransCanada is building a pipeline to Galveston so it can sell dillbit to the United States.

          Defending the theft of our freedom by the government is not a legitimate difference of opinion on a political matter -- it is a deeply un-American attitude that deserves nothing but scorn and derision.--Dallasdoc

          by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 11:35:01 PM PDT

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