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  •  Yep. Italian cyber cafes record passports. (1+ / 0-)
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    But I think we can trust the Italians to resist fascism, unlike Obama. Snark.

    "We're now in one of those periods when the reality of intense pressure on the middle class diverges from long-held assumptions of how the American bargain should work" --James Fallows

    by Inland on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 02:06:48 PM PDT

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    •  Some friends from Europe (1+ / 0-)
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      More than a couple have been surprised that US citizens are not required to carry papers all the time.  

      Citizens in Germany, for instance,  are required by law to have one and carry it.


      by otto on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 02:16:37 PM PDT

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      •  Subjects in the UK are not (1+ / 0-)
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        so what?

        •  Because I was referring to Germany (1+ / 0-)
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          And, yes, it matters.  

          It's an issue of selective use of sources in selective situations.  

          We would not respect a news release from the US government that was critical of voting irregularities in South America.  WHy?  We wouldn't be a valid source of criticism.  That's kind of the whole point.

          It's basically the obligation of bureaucrats to be critical of this.  

          Anyone who is only suspicious of their own government isn't looking far enough.


          by otto on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 10:25:50 AM PDT

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    •  I'd worry more about Greece (2+ / 0-)
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      in respects to Fascism.

      Not that Italy isn't a close second. Really, austerity is bringing Fascism closer across the continent.

      If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

      by AoT on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 04:17:09 PM PDT

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