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  •  some of the reaction has been depressing (4+ / 0-)

    if not unpredictable. but if "our" side is doing this, will there be enough votes to stop it?

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 04:58:22 PM PDT

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    •  eternal optimist hat on (4+ / 0-)
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      yeah, we can.   we've got to keep the fine distinction that '(gasp! at least!) PBO is going through the courts mumble mumble no one understands what that means" but this is TERRIBLE it is UNAMERICAN they are SPYING ON YOUR KID'S FACEBOOK HE WON'T GET INTO COLLEGE" and tap into the inner anti-govmint rage of the right wingers.

      i'll try it out in these parts (on the ground) and get back to you.    i should be meeting with some die-hard Kansas conservatives tomorrow afternoon.

      we've got to keep a tiny shred of "good" (to overuse a phrase) in the Dem brand to hold a sliver of a wedge on this.  and hopefully, in process, pressure Hillary.

      eternal optimist hat off.   lol

      "From single strands of light we build our webs." ~kj

      by kj in missouri on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 05:04:25 PM PDT

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    •  as for specific votes on specific states... (2+ / 0-)
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      do you know if anyone here is working on this?

      i'll try and get in touch with an old friend who might be doing her own work on this.  one of those old radical women who lives for politics.

      "From single strands of light we build our webs." ~kj

      by kj in missouri on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 05:08:18 PM PDT

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    •  we hold ON to that sliver (3+ / 0-)

      of a distinction between GWB and PBO.

      and then rally willy-nilly against the Spy State.

      we have to preserve what is left of the brand (unless we find out that PBO has in fact, assumed the faux authority that GWB did) and push, push, push, en masse.   work with anyone who will work with us.   (and i don't always say that last sentence.)

      that's why the diary yesterday was so egregious to me.   we need every natural ally we can find.   and that might mean conservatives (ouch).    

      i'm all for the call to arms on this.  where i disagree with some on this site is i see the need for as many Americans on this side as possible.   it's an outrage.   the Tea Parties thrive on outrage.   but if we don't hold a bit of our brand clean (if it is indeed clean, and that's why it's important to find out), it'll be a pox-on-both-their-houses come 2014 and 2016.

      and i want our Dems to know this means them, too.  Hillary, especially.   we don't like this #$%.  

      my thinking on politics is ALWAYS colored by the fact that i live in deep red.  

      "From single strands of light we build our webs." ~kj

      by kj in missouri on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 05:20:51 PM PDT

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