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  •  Let me see if I have this straight. Bush commited (2+ / 0-)
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    a wrong because it was illegal but Obama committed a good because the same thing is legal now?  So If what Obama has done is proven to be illegal some day Obama and Bush are the same?  

    Someone straighten me out on this.  

    Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

    by thestructureguy on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 05:45:24 PM PDT

    •  It's legal if you don't get caught (0+ / 0-)

      so what Bush did was legal.

      What are you doing to fight the dangerous and counterproductive error of treating dirtbag terrorist criminals as though they were comic book supervillains? I can't believe we still have to argue this shit, let alone on Daily Kos.

      by happymisanthropy on Tue Jun 11, 2013 at 07:16:29 PM PDT

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    •  No, Bush committed a crime because it was (1+ / 0-)
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      illegal, totally ignoring the law, and Obama took a disagreeable decision within the legal purview of his authorities as thus-far defined by the Congress and the Courts.  If you don't see a massive difference in that, then you must think your personal opinions rather than laws and Constitutional checks and balances are what must ultimately guide government.  

      You can despise the outcome of the process, but when you deny that the process even matters you can't really claim to be arguing from a position of liberty and law.  We elected the people who passed and funded this crap, who approved the judicial appointees that refused to hear cases against it or else decided in favor of such programs, and it's still not a public priority.  So we've got some choices to make about our priorities, and whether we want to make this thing that so few people find urgent to their lives into an intra-party dealbreaker in primaries.  

      If you think so, you'll have a bit of a struggle with the people who think Keystone XL should be a dealbreaker, and drones, and every single other issue on the planet.  And if you can't or won't decide, there's always the Green Party, which will never, ever have an opportunity to abuse anyone's rights.  But that's the same as no party at all, and really no voting at all in the absence of runoff voting.  Or, hey, maybe the Libertarians, if you hate poor people as much as you hate Gubmint.  Gosh, making grownup decisions sucks, doesn't it?

      Nothing makes a Republican angrier than a smile on a poor child's face.

      by Troubadour on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 05:13:55 AM PDT

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